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What would be the benefits of having both a state and local currencies?
Result of a goverment where extra votes can be bought, earned, or lost?What role does the Merchant caste play in society?What are the social and economic implications of giving everyone $4.33 million?What would happen if inflationary currency was given to the people?What would the first LOCAL response be to a downed UFO today?If we discovered time travel, what would happen to the value of currency?How would a society with both Brave New World and Nineteen Eighty-four themes tie together?Record-based currencyCreate local money backed by gold, and spent all gold secrectly, can the money keep its value?What would the government of a medieval city-state be and how many people would be running it?
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The Hegemony has a global (technically interplanetary currency) known simply as the Hegemony Credit. Unlike some currencies the credit does not have smaller denominations only credits. In theory the lowest possible price is a single credit.
However the Hegemony still promotes and allows the usage of local currencies. For example: the peso or the yen.
Would having both a single state currency while also retaining regional currencies have any benefits. If so what kind of benefits?
Notes:
Within the Hegemony regional currencies cannot be used outside of their designated region.
The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees. As well as paying for goods across regions. Everyone must also be paid in credits or equivalent value in a regional currency.
Space colonies could also have their own currencies.
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The Hegemony has a global (technically interplanetary currency) known simply as the Hegemony Credit. Unlike some currencies the credit does not have smaller denominations only credits. In theory the lowest possible price is a single credit.
However the Hegemony still promotes and allows the usage of local currencies. For example: the peso or the yen.
Would having both a single state currency while also retaining regional currencies have any benefits. If so what kind of benefits?
Notes:
Within the Hegemony regional currencies cannot be used outside of their designated region.
The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees. As well as paying for goods across regions. Everyone must also be paid in credits or equivalent value in a regional currency.
Space colonies could also have their own currencies.
economy government currency
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If a guy only accepts the local currency is it possible to wave your hand and say 'Hegemony credits will do fine?'
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– DJ Spicy Deluxe-Levi
yesterday
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You need to be aware of Gresham’s Law. The Hegemony currency is likely to be hoarded and come out of circulation as people spend the softer local currency by preference. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law
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– Mike Scott
yesterday
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@Mike Scott that's why I tried to have the credit be the only currency able to pay taxes and legal fees.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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@DJ Spicy yes. Legally they have to take credits even if it annoys them. Some might try to protest however or persuade people to pay in the local currency.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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"The credit does not have smaller denominations only credits": this is meaningless. "The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees": tokens of value which cannot be used to pay taxes are not repeat not currency. They are scrip. Historically, scrip was used as tool of economic enslavement. And I'm afraid you are making a most regrettable confusion between currency (small pieces of paper or metal representing a certain value) and money (most of which is not in the form of currency).
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– AlexP
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The Hegemony has a global (technically interplanetary currency) known simply as the Hegemony Credit. Unlike some currencies the credit does not have smaller denominations only credits. In theory the lowest possible price is a single credit.
However the Hegemony still promotes and allows the usage of local currencies. For example: the peso or the yen.
Would having both a single state currency while also retaining regional currencies have any benefits. If so what kind of benefits?
Notes:
Within the Hegemony regional currencies cannot be used outside of their designated region.
The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees. As well as paying for goods across regions. Everyone must also be paid in credits or equivalent value in a regional currency.
Space colonies could also have their own currencies.
economy government currency
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The Hegemony has a global (technically interplanetary currency) known simply as the Hegemony Credit. Unlike some currencies the credit does not have smaller denominations only credits. In theory the lowest possible price is a single credit.
However the Hegemony still promotes and allows the usage of local currencies. For example: the peso or the yen.
Would having both a single state currency while also retaining regional currencies have any benefits. If so what kind of benefits?
Notes:
Within the Hegemony regional currencies cannot be used outside of their designated region.
The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees. As well as paying for goods across regions. Everyone must also be paid in credits or equivalent value in a regional currency.
Space colonies could also have their own currencies.
economy government currency
economy government currency
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If a guy only accepts the local currency is it possible to wave your hand and say 'Hegemony credits will do fine?'
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– DJ Spicy Deluxe-Levi
yesterday
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You need to be aware of Gresham’s Law. The Hegemony currency is likely to be hoarded and come out of circulation as people spend the softer local currency by preference. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law
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– Mike Scott
yesterday
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@Mike Scott that's why I tried to have the credit be the only currency able to pay taxes and legal fees.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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@DJ Spicy yes. Legally they have to take credits even if it annoys them. Some might try to protest however or persuade people to pay in the local currency.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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"The credit does not have smaller denominations only credits": this is meaningless. "The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees": tokens of value which cannot be used to pay taxes are not repeat not currency. They are scrip. Historically, scrip was used as tool of economic enslavement. And I'm afraid you are making a most regrettable confusion between currency (small pieces of paper or metal representing a certain value) and money (most of which is not in the form of currency).
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– AlexP
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If a guy only accepts the local currency is it possible to wave your hand and say 'Hegemony credits will do fine?'
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– DJ Spicy Deluxe-Levi
yesterday
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You need to be aware of Gresham’s Law. The Hegemony currency is likely to be hoarded and come out of circulation as people spend the softer local currency by preference. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law
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– Mike Scott
yesterday
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@Mike Scott that's why I tried to have the credit be the only currency able to pay taxes and legal fees.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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@DJ Spicy yes. Legally they have to take credits even if it annoys them. Some might try to protest however or persuade people to pay in the local currency.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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"The credit does not have smaller denominations only credits": this is meaningless. "The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees": tokens of value which cannot be used to pay taxes are not repeat not currency. They are scrip. Historically, scrip was used as tool of economic enslavement. And I'm afraid you are making a most regrettable confusion between currency (small pieces of paper or metal representing a certain value) and money (most of which is not in the form of currency).
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– AlexP
yesterday
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If a guy only accepts the local currency is it possible to wave your hand and say 'Hegemony credits will do fine?'
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– DJ Spicy Deluxe-Levi
yesterday
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If a guy only accepts the local currency is it possible to wave your hand and say 'Hegemony credits will do fine?'
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– DJ Spicy Deluxe-Levi
yesterday
3
3
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You need to be aware of Gresham’s Law. The Hegemony currency is likely to be hoarded and come out of circulation as people spend the softer local currency by preference. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law
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– Mike Scott
yesterday
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You need to be aware of Gresham’s Law. The Hegemony currency is likely to be hoarded and come out of circulation as people spend the softer local currency by preference. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law
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– Mike Scott
yesterday
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@Mike Scott that's why I tried to have the credit be the only currency able to pay taxes and legal fees.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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@Mike Scott that's why I tried to have the credit be the only currency able to pay taxes and legal fees.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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@DJ Spicy yes. Legally they have to take credits even if it annoys them. Some might try to protest however or persuade people to pay in the local currency.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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@DJ Spicy yes. Legally they have to take credits even if it annoys them. Some might try to protest however or persuade people to pay in the local currency.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
1
1
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"The credit does not have smaller denominations only credits": this is meaningless. "The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees": tokens of value which cannot be used to pay taxes are not repeat not currency. They are scrip. Historically, scrip was used as tool of economic enslavement. And I'm afraid you are making a most regrettable confusion between currency (small pieces of paper or metal representing a certain value) and money (most of which is not in the form of currency).
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– AlexP
yesterday
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"The credit does not have smaller denominations only credits": this is meaningless. "The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees": tokens of value which cannot be used to pay taxes are not repeat not currency. They are scrip. Historically, scrip was used as tool of economic enslavement. And I'm afraid you are making a most regrettable confusion between currency (small pieces of paper or metal representing a certain value) and money (most of which is not in the form of currency).
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Benefit: the Hegemony can use this to get its vassal states to bend the knee and keep it bent.
Argentina won't pass the law to allow the Hegemony to draft citizens from it? No problem! The hegemony will spend six days buying every other peso available in the market, causing its value to soar. That may sound cool to Argentina at first but quick variations in value are bad for economy. Then, on the seventh day, the Hegemony floods the market by selling all the pesos it bought and then some more for a ridiculous low value. Watch the country crash.
Even better, that wouldn't be the first time the Hegemony would use that tactic. If it has a history of doing so, then by the time the Hegemony announced their plan to buy pesos, every single person with more than a couple bills in the wallet and a sense of self preservation would know to move to another country more aligned with the Hegemony ASAP.
You can't use this tactic if everybody is on the same currency.
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Economic terrorism, nice
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– Mormacil
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@Renan. Love the idea. Economic sanctions in my opinik are more effective then direct force.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
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Isn't this a very expensive tactic? The Hegemony must spend a huge amount of credits to buy up all the local currency, and they recoup only a fraction of that value when flooding the market. It seems that the Argentines will make a huge profit in Hegemony credits, so why do they care what happens to the peso? There is another stable, widely accepted currency that they can switch to.
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– Nuclear Wang
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@NuclearWang It is indeed expensive, but high-end munitions are also expensive. When you have a hegemony covering hundreds of solar systems, the cost of financially devastating a single state/country on a single planet is trivial, and probably actually cheaper than physically fighting them. Assuming Argentina's economy survives this strategy, they will indeed have more monetary value than they did before, but odds are very high they won't survive it. At which point their currency has no value.
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– Martin Carney
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It's still good as a deterrence. You don't have to use it too often. Use it once, so others can see you weren't just bluffing, and next time only threaten to use it.
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Speed.
Charles Stross has an extreme example of this in Saturn's Children/Neptune's Brood, with "fast" and "slow" money.
If you don't want money to be bound to physical tokens, you need to avoid the same money to be spent twice at the same time, so you always need confirmation from the bank or other institution that maintains the account, and this cannot be done sensibly over only a few lightseconds distance, so local economies need to be decoupled from interstellar trade.
Over vast distances, there is also a need to keep the value of the transferred money stable during transit, which is another reason to separate the local economies.
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Currencies can serve as a form of investment, since the inflation rate of the individual currencies can be controlled independently. For example, should the local currency be doing badly, people might invest in the global currency before buying back the local currency. That is, unless the local currency's value is tied to the global currency.
They can also allow the local authorities to have a level of independence with their economic policies without having 'tourists' needing to exchange.
The currencies may also have a historical or cultural value which may be a result of conservatives or the goodwill of the ruling nation.
A more practical use would be for finer currency, since a unit of global currency may be worth hundreds of a local currency. This would allow locals to trade in sub-credit numbers, potentially allowing to make a profit from selling sub-credit goods for a full credit on the global market.
I would recommend doing some more detailed research on currency exchange should you find the time, some interesting facts may give you additional inspiration.
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I'll try and look into currency exchange. Sounds like it will be really interesting or at least have some fun quirks
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I like the finer currency aspect. The whole local currency could be fractions of a Hegemony credit, although that would tie it to the Hegemony credit and not allow inflation / local fiscal shenanigans.
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You know how to easy win people over? Pay them.
The conversion toward "credit" may always be in favour of local currency. People love when they get THEIR faces on notes and eagles or other aviaries on coins. and the conversion is always in their favour. It's so good to have such stupid hegemony that allows to scam it. Like taking pens from your corporate jobs.
But it's the hegemony that dictate the conversion rate. Your planet, colony, continent get rough? Good luck buying stuff from outside when you are pushed into super-extra-mega-hyperinflation.
Also you want to leave your planet? You change your money to credit and you leave the trace. Like a bitcoin but in reverse. The owner is not known but the money is always traceable and can be simple tied to any operation they do. Like buy ticket.
While using local currency don't clutter the system and leave local authorities to deal with such things on their own.
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Such a system would be very much akin to how most online stores and F2P games work. What it gives you is a single value to assign to certain key goods. Think military hardware, munitions, critical electronic components, fusion reactors etc.
These are key things the Hegemony wants to remain in control over. They'd ban or heavily tax local production to bring it in line with their Credits. There might be a thriving black market of knock off goods. Think what key components does the Hegemony need to keep their people in check? Monopoly on FTL drives?
The local currency allows you to run an alternate economy. You want to do this if the region has a much lower GDP. You want to bring things in line with the local wealth. Think of food, medical supplies, etc. This could be seen at frontier planets that lack a sophisticated industry. They can't economically compete with the core worlds.
So dual currencies allow for a gap in wealth without outpricing basic goods for the poor.
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Easy Integration
The only way you are going to get anything done as an intergalactic bureaucracy is to make things as streamlined and efficient as possible. Otherwise your Hegemony is going to collapse under the weight of its own red tape. Therefore, it is actively in the Hegemony's best interest to leave the low-level running of a member state hands-off, and only regulate the integration points with the rest of the empire.
Think of your member state as a black box. You don't care what happens inside of the box, you just care that the interface with it does what you expect. In the case of your Hegemony you want to make sure that taxes are collected and goods are bought and sold using the standard credits currency. As long as that is true, what goes on inside the box doesn't matter to you (mostly).
What this looks like for each member state is that the local economy works almost exactly as it always has. No strict need to remove the old currencies or do anything else to shake things up. The local government will still collect taxes from it's citizens, and some of those taxes will go towards the Hegemony. All they need to do is exchange that share from Local Currency Dollars (LCD) to Hegemony Credits (HC), using some standardized rate that the Hegemony manages. The same thing happens with inter-state imports/exports. Some good or service costs X HC, and people will know what that translates to in their LCD.
Practical Example
If I want to import a good that costs 10 HC, and the exchange currently says that 1 HC = 10 LCD, then obviously I need 100 LCD to make that purchase. If I get paid in LCD then I would first need to exchange my currencies to HC (which may have extra costs associated).
This is really no different than the kind of currency exchanges that we have here on Planet Earth, except that we have a handful of major currencies (USD, Euro, Yen, etc.) instead of a single universal currency that everything can be mapped to.
A similar process would happen for the local government paying taxes to the Hegemony. If the government owes 1 million HC, then it would need to collect the equivalent of 10 million LCD (or whatever order of magnitude makes sense for a planet-wide tax).
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The nice thing about this set up is that it makes it incredibly easy to add new member states to the Hegemony. All you need to do is figure out what the exchange rate is between HC and LCD. After that everything is pretty boilerplate. Imports get paid for in HC, exports get bought using HC, Hegemony taxes are paid in HC, and everything else is left as-is. There is a little more work for the government to perform managing things, but the average person wouldn't have too much in the way of adjustments.
This also makes it really simple to travel between member states because you always have a standard currency to fall back to. I can turn my hard earned LCDs in HCs and then use those anywhere in the intergalactic empire.
The Hegemony also gets a very strong leverage tool in being the sole decider of every exchange rate. If you need to apply pressure to a member state then even just the threat of devaluing their LCD could be enough to keep them in line. If your LCD is suddenly worth less then your entire planet is now poorer and has less spending power compared to other member states.
Favorable exchange rates could also be used as an incentive for new members. Join up early and get locked into a low rate that gives your entire economy a boost. Take too long to decide or try to play hardball and instead you could be given a higher rate that devalues your LCD and causes a planet-wide depression. Don't join at all and you won't have access to trade goods at all. A black market would still exist for any group that didn't join, but it would be inherently more dangerous and expensive and less reliable than the legal route. And the more pieces you add to your empire, the more incentive the next guy has to join up as well.
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How do you enforce "being the sole decider of every exchange rate:? What keeps others from doing their own exchanging between local currencies?
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There will probably be black markets and such that help you do that, but the Hegemony will probably apply sanctions to anyone officially trying to establish an exchange rate that does not have Credits as one of the currencies involved. These sanctions could be anything from pressuring their economy to outright declaring war on the "rogue states" that do not conform.
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– Formyer
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@MontyHarder The Hegemony is the owner of the currency exchange, and will only turn local currency into credits and vice versa. If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman. If you are talking about exchanging between local currencies on the same planet the Hegemony doesn't actually care about that and lets it be handled as it has historically.
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@D.Spetz What does "If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman" mean? Unless they make it a crime for anyone to operate a competing currency exchange, the laws of supply and demand will provide opportunities for arbitrage if the Hegemony sets the exchange rates out of whack.
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It would help fund bureaucracies. If different local areas don't take funds from each other then travelers need to convert their currency. The organization that runs the Credits can then charge even a very small fee for the currency conversion. Over several transactions, that makes a decent amount of money.
Also, the holder of the credit is able to use its meta knowledge (it knows the instant value of a local currency changes) to its advantage. If a local currency goes down in value, simply by delaying that value change for those buying the local coin it can scrape off a bit of extra percentage for itself.
They can also "double deal." Double Dealing is when you tell your broker to buy a stock and the broker makes two transactions for that purchase. If the stock is volatile (going up and down a lot), the two transactions will likely come through at different prices. The broker then gives the client the worse deal and keeps the better deal. Lets say that a stock is trending upward and you enter a transaction to Buy at $x and to sell at $y. You are not guaranteed to the prices you want, the brokerage places the order when the stock reaches that price. So, if the stock is moving quickly, it may be higher than $x when you buy. The brokerage then buys two lots at $x and passes the one with the higher price to the client. At selling, it does the same thing and passes the one with the lower price to the client. The broker then makes a bit of profit on both ends.
The currency broker can subtly keep the rich rich and the poor poor. Through favorable transactions. The rich people (who, presumably, are allies of the brokers) get their transactions pushed through first whenever their transactions come through at the same time as a smaller player. One presumes that the brokers get other favors in return for this service.
Then there are the dirty tricks that others have mentioned here.
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Benefit: the Hegemony can use this to get its vassal states to bend the knee and keep it bent.
Argentina won't pass the law to allow the Hegemony to draft citizens from it? No problem! The hegemony will spend six days buying every other peso available in the market, causing its value to soar. That may sound cool to Argentina at first but quick variations in value are bad for economy. Then, on the seventh day, the Hegemony floods the market by selling all the pesos it bought and then some more for a ridiculous low value. Watch the country crash.
Even better, that wouldn't be the first time the Hegemony would use that tactic. If it has a history of doing so, then by the time the Hegemony announced their plan to buy pesos, every single person with more than a couple bills in the wallet and a sense of self preservation would know to move to another country more aligned with the Hegemony ASAP.
You can't use this tactic if everybody is on the same currency.
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Economic terrorism, nice
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– Mormacil
yesterday
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@Renan. Love the idea. Economic sanctions in my opinik are more effective then direct force.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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Isn't this a very expensive tactic? The Hegemony must spend a huge amount of credits to buy up all the local currency, and they recoup only a fraction of that value when flooding the market. It seems that the Argentines will make a huge profit in Hegemony credits, so why do they care what happens to the peso? There is another stable, widely accepted currency that they can switch to.
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– Nuclear Wang
yesterday
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@NuclearWang It is indeed expensive, but high-end munitions are also expensive. When you have a hegemony covering hundreds of solar systems, the cost of financially devastating a single state/country on a single planet is trivial, and probably actually cheaper than physically fighting them. Assuming Argentina's economy survives this strategy, they will indeed have more monetary value than they did before, but odds are very high they won't survive it. At which point their currency has no value.
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– Martin Carney
yesterday
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It's still good as a deterrence. You don't have to use it too often. Use it once, so others can see you weren't just bluffing, and next time only threaten to use it.
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– vsz
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Benefit: the Hegemony can use this to get its vassal states to bend the knee and keep it bent.
Argentina won't pass the law to allow the Hegemony to draft citizens from it? No problem! The hegemony will spend six days buying every other peso available in the market, causing its value to soar. That may sound cool to Argentina at first but quick variations in value are bad for economy. Then, on the seventh day, the Hegemony floods the market by selling all the pesos it bought and then some more for a ridiculous low value. Watch the country crash.
Even better, that wouldn't be the first time the Hegemony would use that tactic. If it has a history of doing so, then by the time the Hegemony announced their plan to buy pesos, every single person with more than a couple bills in the wallet and a sense of self preservation would know to move to another country more aligned with the Hegemony ASAP.
You can't use this tactic if everybody is on the same currency.
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Economic terrorism, nice
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– Mormacil
yesterday
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@Renan. Love the idea. Economic sanctions in my opinik are more effective then direct force.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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Isn't this a very expensive tactic? The Hegemony must spend a huge amount of credits to buy up all the local currency, and they recoup only a fraction of that value when flooding the market. It seems that the Argentines will make a huge profit in Hegemony credits, so why do they care what happens to the peso? There is another stable, widely accepted currency that they can switch to.
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– Nuclear Wang
yesterday
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@NuclearWang It is indeed expensive, but high-end munitions are also expensive. When you have a hegemony covering hundreds of solar systems, the cost of financially devastating a single state/country on a single planet is trivial, and probably actually cheaper than physically fighting them. Assuming Argentina's economy survives this strategy, they will indeed have more monetary value than they did before, but odds are very high they won't survive it. At which point their currency has no value.
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– Martin Carney
yesterday
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It's still good as a deterrence. You don't have to use it too often. Use it once, so others can see you weren't just bluffing, and next time only threaten to use it.
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– vsz
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Benefit: the Hegemony can use this to get its vassal states to bend the knee and keep it bent.
Argentina won't pass the law to allow the Hegemony to draft citizens from it? No problem! The hegemony will spend six days buying every other peso available in the market, causing its value to soar. That may sound cool to Argentina at first but quick variations in value are bad for economy. Then, on the seventh day, the Hegemony floods the market by selling all the pesos it bought and then some more for a ridiculous low value. Watch the country crash.
Even better, that wouldn't be the first time the Hegemony would use that tactic. If it has a history of doing so, then by the time the Hegemony announced their plan to buy pesos, every single person with more than a couple bills in the wallet and a sense of self preservation would know to move to another country more aligned with the Hegemony ASAP.
You can't use this tactic if everybody is on the same currency.
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Benefit: the Hegemony can use this to get its vassal states to bend the knee and keep it bent.
Argentina won't pass the law to allow the Hegemony to draft citizens from it? No problem! The hegemony will spend six days buying every other peso available in the market, causing its value to soar. That may sound cool to Argentina at first but quick variations in value are bad for economy. Then, on the seventh day, the Hegemony floods the market by selling all the pesos it bought and then some more for a ridiculous low value. Watch the country crash.
Even better, that wouldn't be the first time the Hegemony would use that tactic. If it has a history of doing so, then by the time the Hegemony announced their plan to buy pesos, every single person with more than a couple bills in the wallet and a sense of self preservation would know to move to another country more aligned with the Hegemony ASAP.
You can't use this tactic if everybody is on the same currency.
answered yesterday
RenanRenan
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Economic terrorism, nice
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– Mormacil
yesterday
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@Renan. Love the idea. Economic sanctions in my opinik are more effective then direct force.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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Isn't this a very expensive tactic? The Hegemony must spend a huge amount of credits to buy up all the local currency, and they recoup only a fraction of that value when flooding the market. It seems that the Argentines will make a huge profit in Hegemony credits, so why do they care what happens to the peso? There is another stable, widely accepted currency that they can switch to.
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– Nuclear Wang
yesterday
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@NuclearWang It is indeed expensive, but high-end munitions are also expensive. When you have a hegemony covering hundreds of solar systems, the cost of financially devastating a single state/country on a single planet is trivial, and probably actually cheaper than physically fighting them. Assuming Argentina's economy survives this strategy, they will indeed have more monetary value than they did before, but odds are very high they won't survive it. At which point their currency has no value.
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– Martin Carney
yesterday
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It's still good as a deterrence. You don't have to use it too often. Use it once, so others can see you weren't just bluffing, and next time only threaten to use it.
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– vsz
yesterday
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Economic terrorism, nice
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– Mormacil
yesterday
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@Renan. Love the idea. Economic sanctions in my opinik are more effective then direct force.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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Isn't this a very expensive tactic? The Hegemony must spend a huge amount of credits to buy up all the local currency, and they recoup only a fraction of that value when flooding the market. It seems that the Argentines will make a huge profit in Hegemony credits, so why do they care what happens to the peso? There is another stable, widely accepted currency that they can switch to.
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– Nuclear Wang
yesterday
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@NuclearWang It is indeed expensive, but high-end munitions are also expensive. When you have a hegemony covering hundreds of solar systems, the cost of financially devastating a single state/country on a single planet is trivial, and probably actually cheaper than physically fighting them. Assuming Argentina's economy survives this strategy, they will indeed have more monetary value than they did before, but odds are very high they won't survive it. At which point their currency has no value.
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– Martin Carney
yesterday
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It's still good as a deterrence. You don't have to use it too often. Use it once, so others can see you weren't just bluffing, and next time only threaten to use it.
$endgroup$
– vsz
yesterday
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Economic terrorism, nice
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– Mormacil
yesterday
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Economic terrorism, nice
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– Mormacil
yesterday
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3
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@Renan. Love the idea. Economic sanctions in my opinik are more effective then direct force.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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@Renan. Love the idea. Economic sanctions in my opinik are more effective then direct force.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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Isn't this a very expensive tactic? The Hegemony must spend a huge amount of credits to buy up all the local currency, and they recoup only a fraction of that value when flooding the market. It seems that the Argentines will make a huge profit in Hegemony credits, so why do they care what happens to the peso? There is another stable, widely accepted currency that they can switch to.
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– Nuclear Wang
yesterday
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Isn't this a very expensive tactic? The Hegemony must spend a huge amount of credits to buy up all the local currency, and they recoup only a fraction of that value when flooding the market. It seems that the Argentines will make a huge profit in Hegemony credits, so why do they care what happens to the peso? There is another stable, widely accepted currency that they can switch to.
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– Nuclear Wang
yesterday
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@NuclearWang It is indeed expensive, but high-end munitions are also expensive. When you have a hegemony covering hundreds of solar systems, the cost of financially devastating a single state/country on a single planet is trivial, and probably actually cheaper than physically fighting them. Assuming Argentina's economy survives this strategy, they will indeed have more monetary value than they did before, but odds are very high they won't survive it. At which point their currency has no value.
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– Martin Carney
yesterday
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@NuclearWang It is indeed expensive, but high-end munitions are also expensive. When you have a hegemony covering hundreds of solar systems, the cost of financially devastating a single state/country on a single planet is trivial, and probably actually cheaper than physically fighting them. Assuming Argentina's economy survives this strategy, they will indeed have more monetary value than they did before, but odds are very high they won't survive it. At which point their currency has no value.
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– Martin Carney
yesterday
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It's still good as a deterrence. You don't have to use it too often. Use it once, so others can see you weren't just bluffing, and next time only threaten to use it.
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– vsz
yesterday
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It's still good as a deterrence. You don't have to use it too often. Use it once, so others can see you weren't just bluffing, and next time only threaten to use it.
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– vsz
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Speed.
Charles Stross has an extreme example of this in Saturn's Children/Neptune's Brood, with "fast" and "slow" money.
If you don't want money to be bound to physical tokens, you need to avoid the same money to be spent twice at the same time, so you always need confirmation from the bank or other institution that maintains the account, and this cannot be done sensibly over only a few lightseconds distance, so local economies need to be decoupled from interstellar trade.
Over vast distances, there is also a need to keep the value of the transferred money stable during transit, which is another reason to separate the local economies.
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Speed.
Charles Stross has an extreme example of this in Saturn's Children/Neptune's Brood, with "fast" and "slow" money.
If you don't want money to be bound to physical tokens, you need to avoid the same money to be spent twice at the same time, so you always need confirmation from the bank or other institution that maintains the account, and this cannot be done sensibly over only a few lightseconds distance, so local economies need to be decoupled from interstellar trade.
Over vast distances, there is also a need to keep the value of the transferred money stable during transit, which is another reason to separate the local economies.
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Speed.
Charles Stross has an extreme example of this in Saturn's Children/Neptune's Brood, with "fast" and "slow" money.
If you don't want money to be bound to physical tokens, you need to avoid the same money to be spent twice at the same time, so you always need confirmation from the bank or other institution that maintains the account, and this cannot be done sensibly over only a few lightseconds distance, so local economies need to be decoupled from interstellar trade.
Over vast distances, there is also a need to keep the value of the transferred money stable during transit, which is another reason to separate the local economies.
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Speed.
Charles Stross has an extreme example of this in Saturn's Children/Neptune's Brood, with "fast" and "slow" money.
If you don't want money to be bound to physical tokens, you need to avoid the same money to be spent twice at the same time, so you always need confirmation from the bank or other institution that maintains the account, and this cannot be done sensibly over only a few lightseconds distance, so local economies need to be decoupled from interstellar trade.
Over vast distances, there is also a need to keep the value of the transferred money stable during transit, which is another reason to separate the local economies.
answered yesterday
Simon RichterSimon Richter
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Currencies can serve as a form of investment, since the inflation rate of the individual currencies can be controlled independently. For example, should the local currency be doing badly, people might invest in the global currency before buying back the local currency. That is, unless the local currency's value is tied to the global currency.
They can also allow the local authorities to have a level of independence with their economic policies without having 'tourists' needing to exchange.
The currencies may also have a historical or cultural value which may be a result of conservatives or the goodwill of the ruling nation.
A more practical use would be for finer currency, since a unit of global currency may be worth hundreds of a local currency. This would allow locals to trade in sub-credit numbers, potentially allowing to make a profit from selling sub-credit goods for a full credit on the global market.
I would recommend doing some more detailed research on currency exchange should you find the time, some interesting facts may give you additional inspiration.
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I'll try and look into currency exchange. Sounds like it will be really interesting or at least have some fun quirks
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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I like the finer currency aspect. The whole local currency could be fractions of a Hegemony credit, although that would tie it to the Hegemony credit and not allow inflation / local fiscal shenanigans.
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– Willk
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Currencies can serve as a form of investment, since the inflation rate of the individual currencies can be controlled independently. For example, should the local currency be doing badly, people might invest in the global currency before buying back the local currency. That is, unless the local currency's value is tied to the global currency.
They can also allow the local authorities to have a level of independence with their economic policies without having 'tourists' needing to exchange.
The currencies may also have a historical or cultural value which may be a result of conservatives or the goodwill of the ruling nation.
A more practical use would be for finer currency, since a unit of global currency may be worth hundreds of a local currency. This would allow locals to trade in sub-credit numbers, potentially allowing to make a profit from selling sub-credit goods for a full credit on the global market.
I would recommend doing some more detailed research on currency exchange should you find the time, some interesting facts may give you additional inspiration.
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I'll try and look into currency exchange. Sounds like it will be really interesting or at least have some fun quirks
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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I like the finer currency aspect. The whole local currency could be fractions of a Hegemony credit, although that would tie it to the Hegemony credit and not allow inflation / local fiscal shenanigans.
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– Willk
yesterday
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Currencies can serve as a form of investment, since the inflation rate of the individual currencies can be controlled independently. For example, should the local currency be doing badly, people might invest in the global currency before buying back the local currency. That is, unless the local currency's value is tied to the global currency.
They can also allow the local authorities to have a level of independence with their economic policies without having 'tourists' needing to exchange.
The currencies may also have a historical or cultural value which may be a result of conservatives or the goodwill of the ruling nation.
A more practical use would be for finer currency, since a unit of global currency may be worth hundreds of a local currency. This would allow locals to trade in sub-credit numbers, potentially allowing to make a profit from selling sub-credit goods for a full credit on the global market.
I would recommend doing some more detailed research on currency exchange should you find the time, some interesting facts may give you additional inspiration.
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Currencies can serve as a form of investment, since the inflation rate of the individual currencies can be controlled independently. For example, should the local currency be doing badly, people might invest in the global currency before buying back the local currency. That is, unless the local currency's value is tied to the global currency.
They can also allow the local authorities to have a level of independence with their economic policies without having 'tourists' needing to exchange.
The currencies may also have a historical or cultural value which may be a result of conservatives or the goodwill of the ruling nation.
A more practical use would be for finer currency, since a unit of global currency may be worth hundreds of a local currency. This would allow locals to trade in sub-credit numbers, potentially allowing to make a profit from selling sub-credit goods for a full credit on the global market.
I would recommend doing some more detailed research on currency exchange should you find the time, some interesting facts may give you additional inspiration.
answered yesterday
A Lambent EyeA Lambent Eye
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I'll try and look into currency exchange. Sounds like it will be really interesting or at least have some fun quirks
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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I like the finer currency aspect. The whole local currency could be fractions of a Hegemony credit, although that would tie it to the Hegemony credit and not allow inflation / local fiscal shenanigans.
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– Willk
yesterday
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I'll try and look into currency exchange. Sounds like it will be really interesting or at least have some fun quirks
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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I like the finer currency aspect. The whole local currency could be fractions of a Hegemony credit, although that would tie it to the Hegemony credit and not allow inflation / local fiscal shenanigans.
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– Willk
yesterday
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I'll try and look into currency exchange. Sounds like it will be really interesting or at least have some fun quirks
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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I'll try and look into currency exchange. Sounds like it will be really interesting or at least have some fun quirks
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
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I like the finer currency aspect. The whole local currency could be fractions of a Hegemony credit, although that would tie it to the Hegemony credit and not allow inflation / local fiscal shenanigans.
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– Willk
yesterday
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I like the finer currency aspect. The whole local currency could be fractions of a Hegemony credit, although that would tie it to the Hegemony credit and not allow inflation / local fiscal shenanigans.
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– Willk
yesterday
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You know how to easy win people over? Pay them.
The conversion toward "credit" may always be in favour of local currency. People love when they get THEIR faces on notes and eagles or other aviaries on coins. and the conversion is always in their favour. It's so good to have such stupid hegemony that allows to scam it. Like taking pens from your corporate jobs.
But it's the hegemony that dictate the conversion rate. Your planet, colony, continent get rough? Good luck buying stuff from outside when you are pushed into super-extra-mega-hyperinflation.
Also you want to leave your planet? You change your money to credit and you leave the trace. Like a bitcoin but in reverse. The owner is not known but the money is always traceable and can be simple tied to any operation they do. Like buy ticket.
While using local currency don't clutter the system and leave local authorities to deal with such things on their own.
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You know how to easy win people over? Pay them.
The conversion toward "credit" may always be in favour of local currency. People love when they get THEIR faces on notes and eagles or other aviaries on coins. and the conversion is always in their favour. It's so good to have such stupid hegemony that allows to scam it. Like taking pens from your corporate jobs.
But it's the hegemony that dictate the conversion rate. Your planet, colony, continent get rough? Good luck buying stuff from outside when you are pushed into super-extra-mega-hyperinflation.
Also you want to leave your planet? You change your money to credit and you leave the trace. Like a bitcoin but in reverse. The owner is not known but the money is always traceable and can be simple tied to any operation they do. Like buy ticket.
While using local currency don't clutter the system and leave local authorities to deal with such things on their own.
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add a comment |
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You know how to easy win people over? Pay them.
The conversion toward "credit" may always be in favour of local currency. People love when they get THEIR faces on notes and eagles or other aviaries on coins. and the conversion is always in their favour. It's so good to have such stupid hegemony that allows to scam it. Like taking pens from your corporate jobs.
But it's the hegemony that dictate the conversion rate. Your planet, colony, continent get rough? Good luck buying stuff from outside when you are pushed into super-extra-mega-hyperinflation.
Also you want to leave your planet? You change your money to credit and you leave the trace. Like a bitcoin but in reverse. The owner is not known but the money is always traceable and can be simple tied to any operation they do. Like buy ticket.
While using local currency don't clutter the system and leave local authorities to deal with such things on their own.
$endgroup$
You know how to easy win people over? Pay them.
The conversion toward "credit" may always be in favour of local currency. People love when they get THEIR faces on notes and eagles or other aviaries on coins. and the conversion is always in their favour. It's so good to have such stupid hegemony that allows to scam it. Like taking pens from your corporate jobs.
But it's the hegemony that dictate the conversion rate. Your planet, colony, continent get rough? Good luck buying stuff from outside when you are pushed into super-extra-mega-hyperinflation.
Also you want to leave your planet? You change your money to credit and you leave the trace. Like a bitcoin but in reverse. The owner is not known but the money is always traceable and can be simple tied to any operation they do. Like buy ticket.
While using local currency don't clutter the system and leave local authorities to deal with such things on their own.
answered yesterday
SZCZERZO KŁYSZCZERZO KŁY
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Such a system would be very much akin to how most online stores and F2P games work. What it gives you is a single value to assign to certain key goods. Think military hardware, munitions, critical electronic components, fusion reactors etc.
These are key things the Hegemony wants to remain in control over. They'd ban or heavily tax local production to bring it in line with their Credits. There might be a thriving black market of knock off goods. Think what key components does the Hegemony need to keep their people in check? Monopoly on FTL drives?
The local currency allows you to run an alternate economy. You want to do this if the region has a much lower GDP. You want to bring things in line with the local wealth. Think of food, medical supplies, etc. This could be seen at frontier planets that lack a sophisticated industry. They can't economically compete with the core worlds.
So dual currencies allow for a gap in wealth without outpricing basic goods for the poor.
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Such a system would be very much akin to how most online stores and F2P games work. What it gives you is a single value to assign to certain key goods. Think military hardware, munitions, critical electronic components, fusion reactors etc.
These are key things the Hegemony wants to remain in control over. They'd ban or heavily tax local production to bring it in line with their Credits. There might be a thriving black market of knock off goods. Think what key components does the Hegemony need to keep their people in check? Monopoly on FTL drives?
The local currency allows you to run an alternate economy. You want to do this if the region has a much lower GDP. You want to bring things in line with the local wealth. Think of food, medical supplies, etc. This could be seen at frontier planets that lack a sophisticated industry. They can't economically compete with the core worlds.
So dual currencies allow for a gap in wealth without outpricing basic goods for the poor.
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Such a system would be very much akin to how most online stores and F2P games work. What it gives you is a single value to assign to certain key goods. Think military hardware, munitions, critical electronic components, fusion reactors etc.
These are key things the Hegemony wants to remain in control over. They'd ban or heavily tax local production to bring it in line with their Credits. There might be a thriving black market of knock off goods. Think what key components does the Hegemony need to keep their people in check? Monopoly on FTL drives?
The local currency allows you to run an alternate economy. You want to do this if the region has a much lower GDP. You want to bring things in line with the local wealth. Think of food, medical supplies, etc. This could be seen at frontier planets that lack a sophisticated industry. They can't economically compete with the core worlds.
So dual currencies allow for a gap in wealth without outpricing basic goods for the poor.
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Such a system would be very much akin to how most online stores and F2P games work. What it gives you is a single value to assign to certain key goods. Think military hardware, munitions, critical electronic components, fusion reactors etc.
These are key things the Hegemony wants to remain in control over. They'd ban or heavily tax local production to bring it in line with their Credits. There might be a thriving black market of knock off goods. Think what key components does the Hegemony need to keep their people in check? Monopoly on FTL drives?
The local currency allows you to run an alternate economy. You want to do this if the region has a much lower GDP. You want to bring things in line with the local wealth. Think of food, medical supplies, etc. This could be seen at frontier planets that lack a sophisticated industry. They can't economically compete with the core worlds.
So dual currencies allow for a gap in wealth without outpricing basic goods for the poor.
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MormacilMormacil
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Easy Integration
The only way you are going to get anything done as an intergalactic bureaucracy is to make things as streamlined and efficient as possible. Otherwise your Hegemony is going to collapse under the weight of its own red tape. Therefore, it is actively in the Hegemony's best interest to leave the low-level running of a member state hands-off, and only regulate the integration points with the rest of the empire.
Think of your member state as a black box. You don't care what happens inside of the box, you just care that the interface with it does what you expect. In the case of your Hegemony you want to make sure that taxes are collected and goods are bought and sold using the standard credits currency. As long as that is true, what goes on inside the box doesn't matter to you (mostly).
What this looks like for each member state is that the local economy works almost exactly as it always has. No strict need to remove the old currencies or do anything else to shake things up. The local government will still collect taxes from it's citizens, and some of those taxes will go towards the Hegemony. All they need to do is exchange that share from Local Currency Dollars (LCD) to Hegemony Credits (HC), using some standardized rate that the Hegemony manages. The same thing happens with inter-state imports/exports. Some good or service costs X HC, and people will know what that translates to in their LCD.
Practical Example
If I want to import a good that costs 10 HC, and the exchange currently says that 1 HC = 10 LCD, then obviously I need 100 LCD to make that purchase. If I get paid in LCD then I would first need to exchange my currencies to HC (which may have extra costs associated).
This is really no different than the kind of currency exchanges that we have here on Planet Earth, except that we have a handful of major currencies (USD, Euro, Yen, etc.) instead of a single universal currency that everything can be mapped to.
A similar process would happen for the local government paying taxes to the Hegemony. If the government owes 1 million HC, then it would need to collect the equivalent of 10 million LCD (or whatever order of magnitude makes sense for a planet-wide tax).
Lego Empire
The nice thing about this set up is that it makes it incredibly easy to add new member states to the Hegemony. All you need to do is figure out what the exchange rate is between HC and LCD. After that everything is pretty boilerplate. Imports get paid for in HC, exports get bought using HC, Hegemony taxes are paid in HC, and everything else is left as-is. There is a little more work for the government to perform managing things, but the average person wouldn't have too much in the way of adjustments.
This also makes it really simple to travel between member states because you always have a standard currency to fall back to. I can turn my hard earned LCDs in HCs and then use those anywhere in the intergalactic empire.
The Hegemony also gets a very strong leverage tool in being the sole decider of every exchange rate. If you need to apply pressure to a member state then even just the threat of devaluing their LCD could be enough to keep them in line. If your LCD is suddenly worth less then your entire planet is now poorer and has less spending power compared to other member states.
Favorable exchange rates could also be used as an incentive for new members. Join up early and get locked into a low rate that gives your entire economy a boost. Take too long to decide or try to play hardball and instead you could be given a higher rate that devalues your LCD and causes a planet-wide depression. Don't join at all and you won't have access to trade goods at all. A black market would still exist for any group that didn't join, but it would be inherently more dangerous and expensive and less reliable than the legal route. And the more pieces you add to your empire, the more incentive the next guy has to join up as well.
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How do you enforce "being the sole decider of every exchange rate:? What keeps others from doing their own exchanging between local currencies?
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– Monty Harder
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There will probably be black markets and such that help you do that, but the Hegemony will probably apply sanctions to anyone officially trying to establish an exchange rate that does not have Credits as one of the currencies involved. These sanctions could be anything from pressuring their economy to outright declaring war on the "rogue states" that do not conform.
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– Formyer
16 hours ago
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@MontyHarder The Hegemony is the owner of the currency exchange, and will only turn local currency into credits and vice versa. If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman. If you are talking about exchanging between local currencies on the same planet the Hegemony doesn't actually care about that and lets it be handled as it has historically.
$endgroup$
– D.Spetz
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
@D.Spetz What does "If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman" mean? Unless they make it a crime for anyone to operate a competing currency exchange, the laws of supply and demand will provide opportunities for arbitrage if the Hegemony sets the exchange rates out of whack.
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
10 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Easy Integration
The only way you are going to get anything done as an intergalactic bureaucracy is to make things as streamlined and efficient as possible. Otherwise your Hegemony is going to collapse under the weight of its own red tape. Therefore, it is actively in the Hegemony's best interest to leave the low-level running of a member state hands-off, and only regulate the integration points with the rest of the empire.
Think of your member state as a black box. You don't care what happens inside of the box, you just care that the interface with it does what you expect. In the case of your Hegemony you want to make sure that taxes are collected and goods are bought and sold using the standard credits currency. As long as that is true, what goes on inside the box doesn't matter to you (mostly).
What this looks like for each member state is that the local economy works almost exactly as it always has. No strict need to remove the old currencies or do anything else to shake things up. The local government will still collect taxes from it's citizens, and some of those taxes will go towards the Hegemony. All they need to do is exchange that share from Local Currency Dollars (LCD) to Hegemony Credits (HC), using some standardized rate that the Hegemony manages. The same thing happens with inter-state imports/exports. Some good or service costs X HC, and people will know what that translates to in their LCD.
Practical Example
If I want to import a good that costs 10 HC, and the exchange currently says that 1 HC = 10 LCD, then obviously I need 100 LCD to make that purchase. If I get paid in LCD then I would first need to exchange my currencies to HC (which may have extra costs associated).
This is really no different than the kind of currency exchanges that we have here on Planet Earth, except that we have a handful of major currencies (USD, Euro, Yen, etc.) instead of a single universal currency that everything can be mapped to.
A similar process would happen for the local government paying taxes to the Hegemony. If the government owes 1 million HC, then it would need to collect the equivalent of 10 million LCD (or whatever order of magnitude makes sense for a planet-wide tax).
Lego Empire
The nice thing about this set up is that it makes it incredibly easy to add new member states to the Hegemony. All you need to do is figure out what the exchange rate is between HC and LCD. After that everything is pretty boilerplate. Imports get paid for in HC, exports get bought using HC, Hegemony taxes are paid in HC, and everything else is left as-is. There is a little more work for the government to perform managing things, but the average person wouldn't have too much in the way of adjustments.
This also makes it really simple to travel between member states because you always have a standard currency to fall back to. I can turn my hard earned LCDs in HCs and then use those anywhere in the intergalactic empire.
The Hegemony also gets a very strong leverage tool in being the sole decider of every exchange rate. If you need to apply pressure to a member state then even just the threat of devaluing their LCD could be enough to keep them in line. If your LCD is suddenly worth less then your entire planet is now poorer and has less spending power compared to other member states.
Favorable exchange rates could also be used as an incentive for new members. Join up early and get locked into a low rate that gives your entire economy a boost. Take too long to decide or try to play hardball and instead you could be given a higher rate that devalues your LCD and causes a planet-wide depression. Don't join at all and you won't have access to trade goods at all. A black market would still exist for any group that didn't join, but it would be inherently more dangerous and expensive and less reliable than the legal route. And the more pieces you add to your empire, the more incentive the next guy has to join up as well.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
How do you enforce "being the sole decider of every exchange rate:? What keeps others from doing their own exchanging between local currencies?
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
yesterday
$begingroup$
There will probably be black markets and such that help you do that, but the Hegemony will probably apply sanctions to anyone officially trying to establish an exchange rate that does not have Credits as one of the currencies involved. These sanctions could be anything from pressuring their economy to outright declaring war on the "rogue states" that do not conform.
$endgroup$
– Formyer
16 hours ago
$begingroup$
@MontyHarder The Hegemony is the owner of the currency exchange, and will only turn local currency into credits and vice versa. If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman. If you are talking about exchanging between local currencies on the same planet the Hegemony doesn't actually care about that and lets it be handled as it has historically.
$endgroup$
– D.Spetz
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
@D.Spetz What does "If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman" mean? Unless they make it a crime for anyone to operate a competing currency exchange, the laws of supply and demand will provide opportunities for arbitrage if the Hegemony sets the exchange rates out of whack.
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
10 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Easy Integration
The only way you are going to get anything done as an intergalactic bureaucracy is to make things as streamlined and efficient as possible. Otherwise your Hegemony is going to collapse under the weight of its own red tape. Therefore, it is actively in the Hegemony's best interest to leave the low-level running of a member state hands-off, and only regulate the integration points with the rest of the empire.
Think of your member state as a black box. You don't care what happens inside of the box, you just care that the interface with it does what you expect. In the case of your Hegemony you want to make sure that taxes are collected and goods are bought and sold using the standard credits currency. As long as that is true, what goes on inside the box doesn't matter to you (mostly).
What this looks like for each member state is that the local economy works almost exactly as it always has. No strict need to remove the old currencies or do anything else to shake things up. The local government will still collect taxes from it's citizens, and some of those taxes will go towards the Hegemony. All they need to do is exchange that share from Local Currency Dollars (LCD) to Hegemony Credits (HC), using some standardized rate that the Hegemony manages. The same thing happens with inter-state imports/exports. Some good or service costs X HC, and people will know what that translates to in their LCD.
Practical Example
If I want to import a good that costs 10 HC, and the exchange currently says that 1 HC = 10 LCD, then obviously I need 100 LCD to make that purchase. If I get paid in LCD then I would first need to exchange my currencies to HC (which may have extra costs associated).
This is really no different than the kind of currency exchanges that we have here on Planet Earth, except that we have a handful of major currencies (USD, Euro, Yen, etc.) instead of a single universal currency that everything can be mapped to.
A similar process would happen for the local government paying taxes to the Hegemony. If the government owes 1 million HC, then it would need to collect the equivalent of 10 million LCD (or whatever order of magnitude makes sense for a planet-wide tax).
Lego Empire
The nice thing about this set up is that it makes it incredibly easy to add new member states to the Hegemony. All you need to do is figure out what the exchange rate is between HC and LCD. After that everything is pretty boilerplate. Imports get paid for in HC, exports get bought using HC, Hegemony taxes are paid in HC, and everything else is left as-is. There is a little more work for the government to perform managing things, but the average person wouldn't have too much in the way of adjustments.
This also makes it really simple to travel between member states because you always have a standard currency to fall back to. I can turn my hard earned LCDs in HCs and then use those anywhere in the intergalactic empire.
The Hegemony also gets a very strong leverage tool in being the sole decider of every exchange rate. If you need to apply pressure to a member state then even just the threat of devaluing their LCD could be enough to keep them in line. If your LCD is suddenly worth less then your entire planet is now poorer and has less spending power compared to other member states.
Favorable exchange rates could also be used as an incentive for new members. Join up early and get locked into a low rate that gives your entire economy a boost. Take too long to decide or try to play hardball and instead you could be given a higher rate that devalues your LCD and causes a planet-wide depression. Don't join at all and you won't have access to trade goods at all. A black market would still exist for any group that didn't join, but it would be inherently more dangerous and expensive and less reliable than the legal route. And the more pieces you add to your empire, the more incentive the next guy has to join up as well.
$endgroup$
Easy Integration
The only way you are going to get anything done as an intergalactic bureaucracy is to make things as streamlined and efficient as possible. Otherwise your Hegemony is going to collapse under the weight of its own red tape. Therefore, it is actively in the Hegemony's best interest to leave the low-level running of a member state hands-off, and only regulate the integration points with the rest of the empire.
Think of your member state as a black box. You don't care what happens inside of the box, you just care that the interface with it does what you expect. In the case of your Hegemony you want to make sure that taxes are collected and goods are bought and sold using the standard credits currency. As long as that is true, what goes on inside the box doesn't matter to you (mostly).
What this looks like for each member state is that the local economy works almost exactly as it always has. No strict need to remove the old currencies or do anything else to shake things up. The local government will still collect taxes from it's citizens, and some of those taxes will go towards the Hegemony. All they need to do is exchange that share from Local Currency Dollars (LCD) to Hegemony Credits (HC), using some standardized rate that the Hegemony manages. The same thing happens with inter-state imports/exports. Some good or service costs X HC, and people will know what that translates to in their LCD.
Practical Example
If I want to import a good that costs 10 HC, and the exchange currently says that 1 HC = 10 LCD, then obviously I need 100 LCD to make that purchase. If I get paid in LCD then I would first need to exchange my currencies to HC (which may have extra costs associated).
This is really no different than the kind of currency exchanges that we have here on Planet Earth, except that we have a handful of major currencies (USD, Euro, Yen, etc.) instead of a single universal currency that everything can be mapped to.
A similar process would happen for the local government paying taxes to the Hegemony. If the government owes 1 million HC, then it would need to collect the equivalent of 10 million LCD (or whatever order of magnitude makes sense for a planet-wide tax).
Lego Empire
The nice thing about this set up is that it makes it incredibly easy to add new member states to the Hegemony. All you need to do is figure out what the exchange rate is between HC and LCD. After that everything is pretty boilerplate. Imports get paid for in HC, exports get bought using HC, Hegemony taxes are paid in HC, and everything else is left as-is. There is a little more work for the government to perform managing things, but the average person wouldn't have too much in the way of adjustments.
This also makes it really simple to travel between member states because you always have a standard currency to fall back to. I can turn my hard earned LCDs in HCs and then use those anywhere in the intergalactic empire.
The Hegemony also gets a very strong leverage tool in being the sole decider of every exchange rate. If you need to apply pressure to a member state then even just the threat of devaluing their LCD could be enough to keep them in line. If your LCD is suddenly worth less then your entire planet is now poorer and has less spending power compared to other member states.
Favorable exchange rates could also be used as an incentive for new members. Join up early and get locked into a low rate that gives your entire economy a boost. Take too long to decide or try to play hardball and instead you could be given a higher rate that devalues your LCD and causes a planet-wide depression. Don't join at all and you won't have access to trade goods at all. A black market would still exist for any group that didn't join, but it would be inherently more dangerous and expensive and less reliable than the legal route. And the more pieces you add to your empire, the more incentive the next guy has to join up as well.
answered yesterday
D.SpetzD.Spetz
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$begingroup$
How do you enforce "being the sole decider of every exchange rate:? What keeps others from doing their own exchanging between local currencies?
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
yesterday
$begingroup$
There will probably be black markets and such that help you do that, but the Hegemony will probably apply sanctions to anyone officially trying to establish an exchange rate that does not have Credits as one of the currencies involved. These sanctions could be anything from pressuring their economy to outright declaring war on the "rogue states" that do not conform.
$endgroup$
– Formyer
16 hours ago
$begingroup$
@MontyHarder The Hegemony is the owner of the currency exchange, and will only turn local currency into credits and vice versa. If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman. If you are talking about exchanging between local currencies on the same planet the Hegemony doesn't actually care about that and lets it be handled as it has historically.
$endgroup$
– D.Spetz
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
@D.Spetz What does "If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman" mean? Unless they make it a crime for anyone to operate a competing currency exchange, the laws of supply and demand will provide opportunities for arbitrage if the Hegemony sets the exchange rates out of whack.
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
10 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
How do you enforce "being the sole decider of every exchange rate:? What keeps others from doing their own exchanging between local currencies?
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
yesterday
$begingroup$
There will probably be black markets and such that help you do that, but the Hegemony will probably apply sanctions to anyone officially trying to establish an exchange rate that does not have Credits as one of the currencies involved. These sanctions could be anything from pressuring their economy to outright declaring war on the "rogue states" that do not conform.
$endgroup$
– Formyer
16 hours ago
$begingroup$
@MontyHarder The Hegemony is the owner of the currency exchange, and will only turn local currency into credits and vice versa. If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman. If you are talking about exchanging between local currencies on the same planet the Hegemony doesn't actually care about that and lets it be handled as it has historically.
$endgroup$
– D.Spetz
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
@D.Spetz What does "If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman" mean? Unless they make it a crime for anyone to operate a competing currency exchange, the laws of supply and demand will provide opportunities for arbitrage if the Hegemony sets the exchange rates out of whack.
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
How do you enforce "being the sole decider of every exchange rate:? What keeps others from doing their own exchanging between local currencies?
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
yesterday
$begingroup$
How do you enforce "being the sole decider of every exchange rate:? What keeps others from doing their own exchanging between local currencies?
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
yesterday
$begingroup$
There will probably be black markets and such that help you do that, but the Hegemony will probably apply sanctions to anyone officially trying to establish an exchange rate that does not have Credits as one of the currencies involved. These sanctions could be anything from pressuring their economy to outright declaring war on the "rogue states" that do not conform.
$endgroup$
– Formyer
16 hours ago
$begingroup$
There will probably be black markets and such that help you do that, but the Hegemony will probably apply sanctions to anyone officially trying to establish an exchange rate that does not have Credits as one of the currencies involved. These sanctions could be anything from pressuring their economy to outright declaring war on the "rogue states" that do not conform.
$endgroup$
– Formyer
16 hours ago
$begingroup$
@MontyHarder The Hegemony is the owner of the currency exchange, and will only turn local currency into credits and vice versa. If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman. If you are talking about exchanging between local currencies on the same planet the Hegemony doesn't actually care about that and lets it be handled as it has historically.
$endgroup$
– D.Spetz
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
@MontyHarder The Hegemony is the owner of the currency exchange, and will only turn local currency into credits and vice versa. If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman. If you are talking about exchanging between local currencies on the same planet the Hegemony doesn't actually care about that and lets it be handled as it has historically.
$endgroup$
– D.Spetz
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
@D.Spetz What does "If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman" mean? Unless they make it a crime for anyone to operate a competing currency exchange, the laws of supply and demand will provide opportunities for arbitrage if the Hegemony sets the exchange rates out of whack.
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
@D.Spetz What does "If someone wants to turn their planet dollars into another planet's dollars, they have to use credits as the middleman" mean? Unless they make it a crime for anyone to operate a competing currency exchange, the laws of supply and demand will provide opportunities for arbitrage if the Hegemony sets the exchange rates out of whack.
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
10 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It would help fund bureaucracies. If different local areas don't take funds from each other then travelers need to convert their currency. The organization that runs the Credits can then charge even a very small fee for the currency conversion. Over several transactions, that makes a decent amount of money.
Also, the holder of the credit is able to use its meta knowledge (it knows the instant value of a local currency changes) to its advantage. If a local currency goes down in value, simply by delaying that value change for those buying the local coin it can scrape off a bit of extra percentage for itself.
They can also "double deal." Double Dealing is when you tell your broker to buy a stock and the broker makes two transactions for that purchase. If the stock is volatile (going up and down a lot), the two transactions will likely come through at different prices. The broker then gives the client the worse deal and keeps the better deal. Lets say that a stock is trending upward and you enter a transaction to Buy at $x and to sell at $y. You are not guaranteed to the prices you want, the brokerage places the order when the stock reaches that price. So, if the stock is moving quickly, it may be higher than $x when you buy. The brokerage then buys two lots at $x and passes the one with the higher price to the client. At selling, it does the same thing and passes the one with the lower price to the client. The broker then makes a bit of profit on both ends.
The currency broker can subtly keep the rich rich and the poor poor. Through favorable transactions. The rich people (who, presumably, are allies of the brokers) get their transactions pushed through first whenever their transactions come through at the same time as a smaller player. One presumes that the brokers get other favors in return for this service.
Then there are the dirty tricks that others have mentioned here.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It would help fund bureaucracies. If different local areas don't take funds from each other then travelers need to convert their currency. The organization that runs the Credits can then charge even a very small fee for the currency conversion. Over several transactions, that makes a decent amount of money.
Also, the holder of the credit is able to use its meta knowledge (it knows the instant value of a local currency changes) to its advantage. If a local currency goes down in value, simply by delaying that value change for those buying the local coin it can scrape off a bit of extra percentage for itself.
They can also "double deal." Double Dealing is when you tell your broker to buy a stock and the broker makes two transactions for that purchase. If the stock is volatile (going up and down a lot), the two transactions will likely come through at different prices. The broker then gives the client the worse deal and keeps the better deal. Lets say that a stock is trending upward and you enter a transaction to Buy at $x and to sell at $y. You are not guaranteed to the prices you want, the brokerage places the order when the stock reaches that price. So, if the stock is moving quickly, it may be higher than $x when you buy. The brokerage then buys two lots at $x and passes the one with the higher price to the client. At selling, it does the same thing and passes the one with the lower price to the client. The broker then makes a bit of profit on both ends.
The currency broker can subtly keep the rich rich and the poor poor. Through favorable transactions. The rich people (who, presumably, are allies of the brokers) get their transactions pushed through first whenever their transactions come through at the same time as a smaller player. One presumes that the brokers get other favors in return for this service.
Then there are the dirty tricks that others have mentioned here.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It would help fund bureaucracies. If different local areas don't take funds from each other then travelers need to convert their currency. The organization that runs the Credits can then charge even a very small fee for the currency conversion. Over several transactions, that makes a decent amount of money.
Also, the holder of the credit is able to use its meta knowledge (it knows the instant value of a local currency changes) to its advantage. If a local currency goes down in value, simply by delaying that value change for those buying the local coin it can scrape off a bit of extra percentage for itself.
They can also "double deal." Double Dealing is when you tell your broker to buy a stock and the broker makes two transactions for that purchase. If the stock is volatile (going up and down a lot), the two transactions will likely come through at different prices. The broker then gives the client the worse deal and keeps the better deal. Lets say that a stock is trending upward and you enter a transaction to Buy at $x and to sell at $y. You are not guaranteed to the prices you want, the brokerage places the order when the stock reaches that price. So, if the stock is moving quickly, it may be higher than $x when you buy. The brokerage then buys two lots at $x and passes the one with the higher price to the client. At selling, it does the same thing and passes the one with the lower price to the client. The broker then makes a bit of profit on both ends.
The currency broker can subtly keep the rich rich and the poor poor. Through favorable transactions. The rich people (who, presumably, are allies of the brokers) get their transactions pushed through first whenever their transactions come through at the same time as a smaller player. One presumes that the brokers get other favors in return for this service.
Then there are the dirty tricks that others have mentioned here.
$endgroup$
It would help fund bureaucracies. If different local areas don't take funds from each other then travelers need to convert their currency. The organization that runs the Credits can then charge even a very small fee for the currency conversion. Over several transactions, that makes a decent amount of money.
Also, the holder of the credit is able to use its meta knowledge (it knows the instant value of a local currency changes) to its advantage. If a local currency goes down in value, simply by delaying that value change for those buying the local coin it can scrape off a bit of extra percentage for itself.
They can also "double deal." Double Dealing is when you tell your broker to buy a stock and the broker makes two transactions for that purchase. If the stock is volatile (going up and down a lot), the two transactions will likely come through at different prices. The broker then gives the client the worse deal and keeps the better deal. Lets say that a stock is trending upward and you enter a transaction to Buy at $x and to sell at $y. You are not guaranteed to the prices you want, the brokerage places the order when the stock reaches that price. So, if the stock is moving quickly, it may be higher than $x when you buy. The brokerage then buys two lots at $x and passes the one with the higher price to the client. At selling, it does the same thing and passes the one with the lower price to the client. The broker then makes a bit of profit on both ends.
The currency broker can subtly keep the rich rich and the poor poor. Through favorable transactions. The rich people (who, presumably, are allies of the brokers) get their transactions pushed through first whenever their transactions come through at the same time as a smaller player. One presumes that the brokers get other favors in return for this service.
Then there are the dirty tricks that others have mentioned here.
answered yesterday
ShadoCatShadoCat
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If a guy only accepts the local currency is it possible to wave your hand and say 'Hegemony credits will do fine?'
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– DJ Spicy Deluxe-Levi
yesterday
3
$begingroup$
You need to be aware of Gresham’s Law. The Hegemony currency is likely to be hoarded and come out of circulation as people spend the softer local currency by preference. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law
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– Mike Scott
yesterday
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@Mike Scott that's why I tried to have the credit be the only currency able to pay taxes and legal fees.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
$begingroup$
@DJ Spicy yes. Legally they have to take credits even if it annoys them. Some might try to protest however or persuade people to pay in the local currency.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
"The credit does not have smaller denominations only credits": this is meaningless. "The Credit is the only currency able to be used to be things like: taxes or fees": tokens of value which cannot be used to pay taxes are not repeat not currency. They are scrip. Historically, scrip was used as tool of economic enslavement. And I'm afraid you are making a most regrettable confusion between currency (small pieces of paper or metal representing a certain value) and money (most of which is not in the form of currency).
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– AlexP
yesterday