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Can you replace a racial trait cantrip when leveling up?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowCan certain classes replace cantrips with other spells when they level up?Can characters, or at least Sorcerers, actually change out cantrips?When a racial trait grants me use of a spell, does it have to also become a spell I know?How many spells does a level 3 Tiefling Warlock have?Does a cantrip count as a spell when referred to as a warlock upgrade effect?What can I get for my Infernal Legacy?Do I add my Proficiency Bonus to the Spell Save DC of a Tiefling's Hellish Rebuke?If you get a spell through a racial ability, can you also take it as a spell from a class?Does an Oni-Blooded variant heritage Tiefling potentially get +4 Wisdom?Can certain classes replace cantrips with other spells when they level up?Can a tiefling cast spells from Devil's Tongue using Sorcerer/Bard spell slots?Can a Tiefling Subrace be Feral?
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The Tiefling has the Infernal Legacy racial trait, which grants them the Thaumaturgy cantrip.
In the PHB, it says (emphasis mine):
[...] when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the warlock
spells you know and replace it with another spell from the warlock
spell list, which also must be of a level for which you have spell
slots.
Suppose I have a Tiefling Warlock that has just reached level 2. Can I replace the Tiefling's Thaumaturgy cantrip (from their racial trait) with another Warlock cantrip? Or can I only replace specifically Warlock spells of level 1 and higher?
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The Tiefling has the Infernal Legacy racial trait, which grants them the Thaumaturgy cantrip.
In the PHB, it says (emphasis mine):
[...] when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the warlock
spells you know and replace it with another spell from the warlock
spell list, which also must be of a level for which you have spell
slots.
Suppose I have a Tiefling Warlock that has just reached level 2. Can I replace the Tiefling's Thaumaturgy cantrip (from their racial trait) with another Warlock cantrip? Or can I only replace specifically Warlock spells of level 1 and higher?
dnd-5e racial-traits cantrips
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The Tiefling has the Infernal Legacy racial trait, which grants them the Thaumaturgy cantrip.
In the PHB, it says (emphasis mine):
[...] when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the warlock
spells you know and replace it with another spell from the warlock
spell list, which also must be of a level for which you have spell
slots.
Suppose I have a Tiefling Warlock that has just reached level 2. Can I replace the Tiefling's Thaumaturgy cantrip (from their racial trait) with another Warlock cantrip? Or can I only replace specifically Warlock spells of level 1 and higher?
dnd-5e racial-traits cantrips
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The Tiefling has the Infernal Legacy racial trait, which grants them the Thaumaturgy cantrip.
In the PHB, it says (emphasis mine):
[...] when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the warlock
spells you know and replace it with another spell from the warlock
spell list, which also must be of a level for which you have spell
slots.
Suppose I have a Tiefling Warlock that has just reached level 2. Can I replace the Tiefling's Thaumaturgy cantrip (from their racial trait) with another Warlock cantrip? Or can I only replace specifically Warlock spells of level 1 and higher?
dnd-5e racial-traits cantrips
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No, for two different reasons.
Most classes cannot replace cantrips at all. Even warlocks and sorcerers can only replace spells of a level for which they have spell slots, which excludes Cantrips since you don't have any 0th level slots.
But even if you could replace cantrips, as the Unearthed Arcana Artificer can, you still can't replace racial cantrips, because your class ability doesn't allow for it.
The warlock class feature says, as you quoted:
choose one of the warlock spells you know
Cantrips you gained from your race aren't warlock spells.
Similarly, the Artificer's ability says:
you can replace one of the artificer cantrips you know
Again, racial spells aren't artificer spells.
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First of all, most classes can't replace cantrips, and if they did they would specifically say so.
However, I think that you are getting this a bit confused. I don't think the question here should be whether you can replace cantrips, but whether you can replace that specific cantrip. Since the cantrip is granted to you by your racial trait, it is not considered a warlock cantrip you can not replace or change it without either the DM's approval, or the DM telling you to. It is not specifically said that this is true, but if you look at the official description for the ability (see PHB pg. 43):
Infernal Legacy. You know the thaumaturgy cantrip. Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the hellish rebuke spell once per day as a 2nd-levei spell. Once you reach 5th level, you can also cast the darkness spell once per day. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells
It never says that the spell(s) belong to any given class, even if they normally do. Add to the fact that the spells that you learn later with this ability have restrictions on their usage, it would appear that these spells cannot be replaced (unless the DM says so or makes you) without changing your race (which would also require the DM's approval). Hope this cleared that up!
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gimme a just a minute and I'll fix that
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i'd also recommend closing the loop about general rules for replacing spells when you get to level.
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Sorry, I'm not sure I quite understand
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I just always like to add it because I always just want to reinforce that the DM makes the final decision
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No, for two different reasons.
Most classes cannot replace cantrips at all. Even warlocks and sorcerers can only replace spells of a level for which they have spell slots, which excludes Cantrips since you don't have any 0th level slots.
But even if you could replace cantrips, as the Unearthed Arcana Artificer can, you still can't replace racial cantrips, because your class ability doesn't allow for it.
The warlock class feature says, as you quoted:
choose one of the warlock spells you know
Cantrips you gained from your race aren't warlock spells.
Similarly, the Artificer's ability says:
you can replace one of the artificer cantrips you know
Again, racial spells aren't artificer spells.
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You ought to IMO refer to this Q&A in your answer.
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No, for two different reasons.
Most classes cannot replace cantrips at all. Even warlocks and sorcerers can only replace spells of a level for which they have spell slots, which excludes Cantrips since you don't have any 0th level slots.
But even if you could replace cantrips, as the Unearthed Arcana Artificer can, you still can't replace racial cantrips, because your class ability doesn't allow for it.
The warlock class feature says, as you quoted:
choose one of the warlock spells you know
Cantrips you gained from your race aren't warlock spells.
Similarly, the Artificer's ability says:
you can replace one of the artificer cantrips you know
Again, racial spells aren't artificer spells.
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You ought to IMO refer to this Q&A in your answer.
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– KorvinStarmast
2 days ago
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No, for two different reasons.
Most classes cannot replace cantrips at all. Even warlocks and sorcerers can only replace spells of a level for which they have spell slots, which excludes Cantrips since you don't have any 0th level slots.
But even if you could replace cantrips, as the Unearthed Arcana Artificer can, you still can't replace racial cantrips, because your class ability doesn't allow for it.
The warlock class feature says, as you quoted:
choose one of the warlock spells you know
Cantrips you gained from your race aren't warlock spells.
Similarly, the Artificer's ability says:
you can replace one of the artificer cantrips you know
Again, racial spells aren't artificer spells.
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No, for two different reasons.
Most classes cannot replace cantrips at all. Even warlocks and sorcerers can only replace spells of a level for which they have spell slots, which excludes Cantrips since you don't have any 0th level slots.
But even if you could replace cantrips, as the Unearthed Arcana Artificer can, you still can't replace racial cantrips, because your class ability doesn't allow for it.
The warlock class feature says, as you quoted:
choose one of the warlock spells you know
Cantrips you gained from your race aren't warlock spells.
Similarly, the Artificer's ability says:
you can replace one of the artificer cantrips you know
Again, racial spells aren't artificer spells.
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You ought to IMO refer to this Q&A in your answer.
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You ought to IMO refer to this Q&A in your answer.
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– KorvinStarmast
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You ought to IMO refer to this Q&A in your answer.
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First of all, most classes can't replace cantrips, and if they did they would specifically say so.
However, I think that you are getting this a bit confused. I don't think the question here should be whether you can replace cantrips, but whether you can replace that specific cantrip. Since the cantrip is granted to you by your racial trait, it is not considered a warlock cantrip you can not replace or change it without either the DM's approval, or the DM telling you to. It is not specifically said that this is true, but if you look at the official description for the ability (see PHB pg. 43):
Infernal Legacy. You know the thaumaturgy cantrip. Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the hellish rebuke spell once per day as a 2nd-levei spell. Once you reach 5th level, you can also cast the darkness spell once per day. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells
It never says that the spell(s) belong to any given class, even if they normally do. Add to the fact that the spells that you learn later with this ability have restrictions on their usage, it would appear that these spells cannot be replaced (unless the DM says so or makes you) without changing your race (which would also require the DM's approval). Hope this cleared that up!
New contributor
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Can you support with this rules on spell choices and levelling?
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– NautArch
2 days ago
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gimme a just a minute and I'll fix that
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
1
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i'd also recommend closing the loop about general rules for replacing spells when you get to level.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
2 days ago
1
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Sorry, I'm not sure I quite understand
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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I just always like to add it because I always just want to reinforce that the DM makes the final decision
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
add a comment |
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First of all, most classes can't replace cantrips, and if they did they would specifically say so.
However, I think that you are getting this a bit confused. I don't think the question here should be whether you can replace cantrips, but whether you can replace that specific cantrip. Since the cantrip is granted to you by your racial trait, it is not considered a warlock cantrip you can not replace or change it without either the DM's approval, or the DM telling you to. It is not specifically said that this is true, but if you look at the official description for the ability (see PHB pg. 43):
Infernal Legacy. You know the thaumaturgy cantrip. Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the hellish rebuke spell once per day as a 2nd-levei spell. Once you reach 5th level, you can also cast the darkness spell once per day. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells
It never says that the spell(s) belong to any given class, even if they normally do. Add to the fact that the spells that you learn later with this ability have restrictions on their usage, it would appear that these spells cannot be replaced (unless the DM says so or makes you) without changing your race (which would also require the DM's approval). Hope this cleared that up!
New contributor
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Can you support with this rules on spell choices and levelling?
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– NautArch
2 days ago
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gimme a just a minute and I'll fix that
$endgroup$
– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
1
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i'd also recommend closing the loop about general rules for replacing spells when you get to level.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
2 days ago
1
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Sorry, I'm not sure I quite understand
$endgroup$
– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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I just always like to add it because I always just want to reinforce that the DM makes the final decision
$endgroup$
– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
add a comment |
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First of all, most classes can't replace cantrips, and if they did they would specifically say so.
However, I think that you are getting this a bit confused. I don't think the question here should be whether you can replace cantrips, but whether you can replace that specific cantrip. Since the cantrip is granted to you by your racial trait, it is not considered a warlock cantrip you can not replace or change it without either the DM's approval, or the DM telling you to. It is not specifically said that this is true, but if you look at the official description for the ability (see PHB pg. 43):
Infernal Legacy. You know the thaumaturgy cantrip. Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the hellish rebuke spell once per day as a 2nd-levei spell. Once you reach 5th level, you can also cast the darkness spell once per day. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells
It never says that the spell(s) belong to any given class, even if they normally do. Add to the fact that the spells that you learn later with this ability have restrictions on their usage, it would appear that these spells cannot be replaced (unless the DM says so or makes you) without changing your race (which would also require the DM's approval). Hope this cleared that up!
New contributor
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First of all, most classes can't replace cantrips, and if they did they would specifically say so.
However, I think that you are getting this a bit confused. I don't think the question here should be whether you can replace cantrips, but whether you can replace that specific cantrip. Since the cantrip is granted to you by your racial trait, it is not considered a warlock cantrip you can not replace or change it without either the DM's approval, or the DM telling you to. It is not specifically said that this is true, but if you look at the official description for the ability (see PHB pg. 43):
Infernal Legacy. You know the thaumaturgy cantrip. Once you reach 3rd level, you can cast the hellish rebuke spell once per day as a 2nd-levei spell. Once you reach 5th level, you can also cast the darkness spell once per day. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells
It never says that the spell(s) belong to any given class, even if they normally do. Add to the fact that the spells that you learn later with this ability have restrictions on their usage, it would appear that these spells cannot be replaced (unless the DM says so or makes you) without changing your race (which would also require the DM's approval). Hope this cleared that up!
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– NautArch
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gimme a just a minute and I'll fix that
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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i'd also recommend closing the loop about general rules for replacing spells when you get to level.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
2 days ago
1
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Sorry, I'm not sure I quite understand
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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I just always like to add it because I always just want to reinforce that the DM makes the final decision
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
add a comment |
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Can you support with this rules on spell choices and levelling?
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– NautArch
2 days ago
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gimme a just a minute and I'll fix that
$endgroup$
– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
1
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i'd also recommend closing the loop about general rules for replacing spells when you get to level.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
2 days ago
1
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Sorry, I'm not sure I quite understand
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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I just always like to add it because I always just want to reinforce that the DM makes the final decision
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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Can you support with this rules on spell choices and levelling?
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– NautArch
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Can you support with this rules on spell choices and levelling?
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– NautArch
2 days ago
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gimme a just a minute and I'll fix that
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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gimme a just a minute and I'll fix that
$endgroup$
– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
1
1
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i'd also recommend closing the loop about general rules for replacing spells when you get to level.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
2 days ago
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i'd also recommend closing the loop about general rules for replacing spells when you get to level.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
2 days ago
1
1
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Sorry, I'm not sure I quite understand
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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Sorry, I'm not sure I quite understand
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– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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I just always like to add it because I always just want to reinforce that the DM makes the final decision
$endgroup$
– Smart_TJ
2 days ago
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I just always like to add it because I always just want to reinforce that the DM makes the final decision
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