Finding quadratic residues without Legendre symbols The Next CEO of Stack OverflowReduction of the question of quadratic residues mod $m$ to the primary decomposition of $m$.Quadratic Residues in $mathbbZ/3^n mathbbZ $Proof dealing with Quadratic ResiduesSolvability of quadratic congruenceLet $a$ be a quadratic residue modulo $p$. Prove that the number $bequiv a^fracp+14 mod p$ has the property that $b^2equiv a mod p$.$4n$ is a square modulo $d$ implies $n$ is a square modulo $d$Hypothesis on quadratic residues and cyclic generatorsQuadratic Residues ProofNo canonical non-quadratic residue for primes $equiv 1 bmod 8$?Understanding this proof regarding quadratic residues
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Finding quadratic residues without Legendre symbols
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowReduction of the question of quadratic residues mod $m$ to the primary decomposition of $m$.Quadratic Residues in $mathbbZ/3^n mathbbZ $Proof dealing with Quadratic ResiduesSolvability of quadratic congruenceLet $a$ be a quadratic residue modulo $p$. Prove that the number $bequiv a^fracp+14 mod p$ has the property that $b^2equiv a mod p$.$4n$ is a square modulo $d$ implies $n$ is a square modulo $d$Hypothesis on quadratic residues and cyclic generatorsQuadratic Residues ProofNo canonical non-quadratic residue for primes $equiv 1 bmod 8$?Understanding this proof regarding quadratic residues
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I ran into two very similar problems concerning quadratic residues, and I'm having a bit of trouble working through them. These problems are supposed to rely exclusively on the theory of cyclic groups, without use of Legendre symbols. I'm posting both in one question since I roughly managed to solve the first one and it's meant to show my thought process towards solving the second.
Let $p$ be a prime congruent to $1$ modulo $3$. Show that there exists
an $a in mathbbZ$ such that $a^2 + a + 1 equiv 0 textrm mod p$ and
conclude that $-3$ is a square modulo $p$.
To solve this one, I let $p = 3k + 1$, and take $g in (mathbbZ_p, times)$ to be a generator from which follows that $g^3k - 1 = (g^k - 1)(g^2k + g^k + 1) equiv 0 textrm mod p$. Since $g$ is a generator, $g^k ne 1$. To conclude $-3$ is a square, I (somewhat randomly) noticed that
beginalign*
(g^k - g^-k)^2 &= g^2k - 2 + g^-2k \
&= g^2k + g^k + 1 - 3 \
&equiv -3 textrm mod p
endalign*
I was wondering, is there any significance to the element $g^k - g^-k$ as a root for $-3$? Is there any way to intuitively know immediately that's the square you're looking for? I remember seeing similarly defined elements before, and I pretty much just plugged it in hoping for the best, without really knowing what I was doing. The next problem has me completely stumped.
Let $p$ be a prime congruent to $1$ modulo $5$. Show that there exists
an $a in mathbbZ$ such that $(a + a⁴)² + (a + a⁴) - 1 equiv 0 textrm mod p$ and conclude that $5$ is a square modulo $p$.
I sort of have this sense that I'm gonna need an element of order $10$, i.e. $g^frac5k2$ where $g$ is yet again a generator, however I can't seem to get anywhere with this. If I let $x = a + a^4$, then I can tell I'm basically looking for an element $x$ which has the next element $x + 1$ as its inverse, but that doesn't really help me forward.
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I ran into two very similar problems concerning quadratic residues, and I'm having a bit of trouble working through them. These problems are supposed to rely exclusively on the theory of cyclic groups, without use of Legendre symbols. I'm posting both in one question since I roughly managed to solve the first one and it's meant to show my thought process towards solving the second.
Let $p$ be a prime congruent to $1$ modulo $3$. Show that there exists
an $a in mathbbZ$ such that $a^2 + a + 1 equiv 0 textrm mod p$ and
conclude that $-3$ is a square modulo $p$.
To solve this one, I let $p = 3k + 1$, and take $g in (mathbbZ_p, times)$ to be a generator from which follows that $g^3k - 1 = (g^k - 1)(g^2k + g^k + 1) equiv 0 textrm mod p$. Since $g$ is a generator, $g^k ne 1$. To conclude $-3$ is a square, I (somewhat randomly) noticed that
beginalign*
(g^k - g^-k)^2 &= g^2k - 2 + g^-2k \
&= g^2k + g^k + 1 - 3 \
&equiv -3 textrm mod p
endalign*
I was wondering, is there any significance to the element $g^k - g^-k$ as a root for $-3$? Is there any way to intuitively know immediately that's the square you're looking for? I remember seeing similarly defined elements before, and I pretty much just plugged it in hoping for the best, without really knowing what I was doing. The next problem has me completely stumped.
Let $p$ be a prime congruent to $1$ modulo $5$. Show that there exists
an $a in mathbbZ$ such that $(a + a⁴)² + (a + a⁴) - 1 equiv 0 textrm mod p$ and conclude that $5$ is a square modulo $p$.
I sort of have this sense that I'm gonna need an element of order $10$, i.e. $g^frac5k2$ where $g$ is yet again a generator, however I can't seem to get anywhere with this. If I let $x = a + a^4$, then I can tell I'm basically looking for an element $x$ which has the next element $x + 1$ as its inverse, but that doesn't really help me forward.
number-theory prime-numbers modular-arithmetic cyclic-groups quadratic-residues
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I ran into two very similar problems concerning quadratic residues, and I'm having a bit of trouble working through them. These problems are supposed to rely exclusively on the theory of cyclic groups, without use of Legendre symbols. I'm posting both in one question since I roughly managed to solve the first one and it's meant to show my thought process towards solving the second.
Let $p$ be a prime congruent to $1$ modulo $3$. Show that there exists
an $a in mathbbZ$ such that $a^2 + a + 1 equiv 0 textrm mod p$ and
conclude that $-3$ is a square modulo $p$.
To solve this one, I let $p = 3k + 1$, and take $g in (mathbbZ_p, times)$ to be a generator from which follows that $g^3k - 1 = (g^k - 1)(g^2k + g^k + 1) equiv 0 textrm mod p$. Since $g$ is a generator, $g^k ne 1$. To conclude $-3$ is a square, I (somewhat randomly) noticed that
beginalign*
(g^k - g^-k)^2 &= g^2k - 2 + g^-2k \
&= g^2k + g^k + 1 - 3 \
&equiv -3 textrm mod p
endalign*
I was wondering, is there any significance to the element $g^k - g^-k$ as a root for $-3$? Is there any way to intuitively know immediately that's the square you're looking for? I remember seeing similarly defined elements before, and I pretty much just plugged it in hoping for the best, without really knowing what I was doing. The next problem has me completely stumped.
Let $p$ be a prime congruent to $1$ modulo $5$. Show that there exists
an $a in mathbbZ$ such that $(a + a⁴)² + (a + a⁴) - 1 equiv 0 textrm mod p$ and conclude that $5$ is a square modulo $p$.
I sort of have this sense that I'm gonna need an element of order $10$, i.e. $g^frac5k2$ where $g$ is yet again a generator, however I can't seem to get anywhere with this. If I let $x = a + a^4$, then I can tell I'm basically looking for an element $x$ which has the next element $x + 1$ as its inverse, but that doesn't really help me forward.
number-theory prime-numbers modular-arithmetic cyclic-groups quadratic-residues
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I ran into two very similar problems concerning quadratic residues, and I'm having a bit of trouble working through them. These problems are supposed to rely exclusively on the theory of cyclic groups, without use of Legendre symbols. I'm posting both in one question since I roughly managed to solve the first one and it's meant to show my thought process towards solving the second.
Let $p$ be a prime congruent to $1$ modulo $3$. Show that there exists
an $a in mathbbZ$ such that $a^2 + a + 1 equiv 0 textrm mod p$ and
conclude that $-3$ is a square modulo $p$.
To solve this one, I let $p = 3k + 1$, and take $g in (mathbbZ_p, times)$ to be a generator from which follows that $g^3k - 1 = (g^k - 1)(g^2k + g^k + 1) equiv 0 textrm mod p$. Since $g$ is a generator, $g^k ne 1$. To conclude $-3$ is a square, I (somewhat randomly) noticed that
beginalign*
(g^k - g^-k)^2 &= g^2k - 2 + g^-2k \
&= g^2k + g^k + 1 - 3 \
&equiv -3 textrm mod p
endalign*
I was wondering, is there any significance to the element $g^k - g^-k$ as a root for $-3$? Is there any way to intuitively know immediately that's the square you're looking for? I remember seeing similarly defined elements before, and I pretty much just plugged it in hoping for the best, without really knowing what I was doing. The next problem has me completely stumped.
Let $p$ be a prime congruent to $1$ modulo $5$. Show that there exists
an $a in mathbbZ$ such that $(a + a⁴)² + (a + a⁴) - 1 equiv 0 textrm mod p$ and conclude that $5$ is a square modulo $p$.
I sort of have this sense that I'm gonna need an element of order $10$, i.e. $g^frac5k2$ where $g$ is yet again a generator, however I can't seem to get anywhere with this. If I let $x = a + a^4$, then I can tell I'm basically looking for an element $x$ which has the next element $x + 1$ as its inverse, but that doesn't really help me forward.
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Hint: If $a^5 = 1$ then $a^4 = a^-1$ and $(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = a^-2(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1)$.
Also if $x^2 + x - 1 = 0$ in $mathbb Z_p$, then $4(x^2 + x - 1) = (2x+1)^2 - 5 = 0$.
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Right, ofcourse. The sum of all roots of unity equals zero. That was a crucial bit I was missing. I'm assuming you forgot an exponent on your $2$ in your second line but I understand what you're doing, thank you.
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Fixed, thank you. The 2 you saw in the second line should be in the parenthesis.
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Also is it possible the $a^-2$ at the end is kind of arbitrary? Unless I'm mistaken using the distributive property $a(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1) = a^5 + a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a = a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1$ which would mean you can fill in just about any power of a instead of just $a^-2$.
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Well that is true. By the same reason as in your post, if $a neq 1$ and $a^5 = 1$, then $a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1 = 0$ so changing $a^-2$ to anything else yields a zero after all. That $a^-2$ term emerges from the expansion of $$(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = (a + a^-1)^2 + (a + a^-1) - 1 = cdots$$
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A substantial part of your question seems to be “how do I intuitively arrive at an expression which yields the desired square root?”. I want to address this first.
In both cases the question is structured as “show there exists a solution to this quadratic, hence $d$ is a square modulo $p$”. In the first question the quadratic is $x^2+x+1$, and in the second question it’s $x^2+x-1$. Notice that in each case the desired square root is exactly the discriminant $b^2 - 4ac$ from the quadratic formula.
Intuitively, the idea is that if a ring contains solutions to the quadratic then the square root in the quadratic formula “should” work in that ring. (This isn’t universally true: when a cubic polynomial has all real roots, the cubic formula still involves taking square roots of negative numbers.). The way to expose this explicitly is just to complete the square:
$$x^2 + x + 1 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 4 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 1 = -3, \
(2x+1)^2 = -3.$$
As for how to guess at the element which makes it work, in both cases we know that $mathbb Z_p$ contains a primitive $r$th root of unity for $r=3$ and $r=5$ respectively. In some sense that’s about all the specialized knowledge we possess. I think the author is hoping/expecting the reader to first try plugging in that root of unity into $a$, since there’s no simpler value to choose from, and the questions are designed to make this work on that first try.
For the second question it may have resulted in a rather intimidating-looking expression hiding inside the quadratic, but presumably the intent was for the first question to go very smoothly, giving the reader the hope that the exact same strategy will work for the second.
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Crystal clear, thank you. It would seem I can't approve both answers simultaneously even though they both kinda contributed to me fully understanding the problem
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Hint: If $a^5 = 1$ then $a^4 = a^-1$ and $(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = a^-2(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1)$.
Also if $x^2 + x - 1 = 0$ in $mathbb Z_p$, then $4(x^2 + x - 1) = (2x+1)^2 - 5 = 0$.
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Right, ofcourse. The sum of all roots of unity equals zero. That was a crucial bit I was missing. I'm assuming you forgot an exponent on your $2$ in your second line but I understand what you're doing, thank you.
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– Zeno
2 days ago
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Fixed, thank you. The 2 you saw in the second line should be in the parenthesis.
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– Hw Chu
2 days ago
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Also is it possible the $a^-2$ at the end is kind of arbitrary? Unless I'm mistaken using the distributive property $a(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1) = a^5 + a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a = a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1$ which would mean you can fill in just about any power of a instead of just $a^-2$.
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– Zeno
yesterday
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Well that is true. By the same reason as in your post, if $a neq 1$ and $a^5 = 1$, then $a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1 = 0$ so changing $a^-2$ to anything else yields a zero after all. That $a^-2$ term emerges from the expansion of $$(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = (a + a^-1)^2 + (a + a^-1) - 1 = cdots$$
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Hint: If $a^5 = 1$ then $a^4 = a^-1$ and $(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = a^-2(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1)$.
Also if $x^2 + x - 1 = 0$ in $mathbb Z_p$, then $4(x^2 + x - 1) = (2x+1)^2 - 5 = 0$.
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Right, ofcourse. The sum of all roots of unity equals zero. That was a crucial bit I was missing. I'm assuming you forgot an exponent on your $2$ in your second line but I understand what you're doing, thank you.
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– Zeno
2 days ago
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Fixed, thank you. The 2 you saw in the second line should be in the parenthesis.
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– Hw Chu
2 days ago
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Also is it possible the $a^-2$ at the end is kind of arbitrary? Unless I'm mistaken using the distributive property $a(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1) = a^5 + a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a = a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1$ which would mean you can fill in just about any power of a instead of just $a^-2$.
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– Zeno
yesterday
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Well that is true. By the same reason as in your post, if $a neq 1$ and $a^5 = 1$, then $a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1 = 0$ so changing $a^-2$ to anything else yields a zero after all. That $a^-2$ term emerges from the expansion of $$(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = (a + a^-1)^2 + (a + a^-1) - 1 = cdots$$
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Hint: If $a^5 = 1$ then $a^4 = a^-1$ and $(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = a^-2(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1)$.
Also if $x^2 + x - 1 = 0$ in $mathbb Z_p$, then $4(x^2 + x - 1) = (2x+1)^2 - 5 = 0$.
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Hint: If $a^5 = 1$ then $a^4 = a^-1$ and $(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = a^-2(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1)$.
Also if $x^2 + x - 1 = 0$ in $mathbb Z_p$, then $4(x^2 + x - 1) = (2x+1)^2 - 5 = 0$.
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Right, ofcourse. The sum of all roots of unity equals zero. That was a crucial bit I was missing. I'm assuming you forgot an exponent on your $2$ in your second line but I understand what you're doing, thank you.
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– Zeno
2 days ago
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Fixed, thank you. The 2 you saw in the second line should be in the parenthesis.
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– Hw Chu
2 days ago
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Also is it possible the $a^-2$ at the end is kind of arbitrary? Unless I'm mistaken using the distributive property $a(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1) = a^5 + a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a = a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1$ which would mean you can fill in just about any power of a instead of just $a^-2$.
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– Zeno
yesterday
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Well that is true. By the same reason as in your post, if $a neq 1$ and $a^5 = 1$, then $a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1 = 0$ so changing $a^-2$ to anything else yields a zero after all. That $a^-2$ term emerges from the expansion of $$(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = (a + a^-1)^2 + (a + a^-1) - 1 = cdots$$
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– Hw Chu
yesterday
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Right, ofcourse. The sum of all roots of unity equals zero. That was a crucial bit I was missing. I'm assuming you forgot an exponent on your $2$ in your second line but I understand what you're doing, thank you.
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– Zeno
2 days ago
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Fixed, thank you. The 2 you saw in the second line should be in the parenthesis.
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– Hw Chu
2 days ago
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Also is it possible the $a^-2$ at the end is kind of arbitrary? Unless I'm mistaken using the distributive property $a(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1) = a^5 + a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a = a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1$ which would mean you can fill in just about any power of a instead of just $a^-2$.
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– Zeno
yesterday
$begingroup$
Well that is true. By the same reason as in your post, if $a neq 1$ and $a^5 = 1$, then $a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1 = 0$ so changing $a^-2$ to anything else yields a zero after all. That $a^-2$ term emerges from the expansion of $$(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = (a + a^-1)^2 + (a + a^-1) - 1 = cdots$$
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– Hw Chu
yesterday
$begingroup$
Right, ofcourse. The sum of all roots of unity equals zero. That was a crucial bit I was missing. I'm assuming you forgot an exponent on your $2$ in your second line but I understand what you're doing, thank you.
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– Zeno
2 days ago
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Right, ofcourse. The sum of all roots of unity equals zero. That was a crucial bit I was missing. I'm assuming you forgot an exponent on your $2$ in your second line but I understand what you're doing, thank you.
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– Zeno
2 days ago
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Fixed, thank you. The 2 you saw in the second line should be in the parenthesis.
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– Hw Chu
2 days ago
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Fixed, thank you. The 2 you saw in the second line should be in the parenthesis.
$endgroup$
– Hw Chu
2 days ago
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Also is it possible the $a^-2$ at the end is kind of arbitrary? Unless I'm mistaken using the distributive property $a(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1) = a^5 + a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a = a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1$ which would mean you can fill in just about any power of a instead of just $a^-2$.
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– Zeno
yesterday
$begingroup$
Also is it possible the $a^-2$ at the end is kind of arbitrary? Unless I'm mistaken using the distributive property $a(a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1) = a^5 + a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a = a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1$ which would mean you can fill in just about any power of a instead of just $a^-2$.
$endgroup$
– Zeno
yesterday
$begingroup$
Well that is true. By the same reason as in your post, if $a neq 1$ and $a^5 = 1$, then $a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1 = 0$ so changing $a^-2$ to anything else yields a zero after all. That $a^-2$ term emerges from the expansion of $$(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = (a + a^-1)^2 + (a + a^-1) - 1 = cdots$$
$endgroup$
– Hw Chu
yesterday
$begingroup$
Well that is true. By the same reason as in your post, if $a neq 1$ and $a^5 = 1$, then $a^4 + a^3 + a^2 + a + 1 = 0$ so changing $a^-2$ to anything else yields a zero after all. That $a^-2$ term emerges from the expansion of $$(a+a^4)^2 + (a+a^4) - 1 = (a + a^-1)^2 + (a + a^-1) - 1 = cdots$$
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– Hw Chu
yesterday
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A substantial part of your question seems to be “how do I intuitively arrive at an expression which yields the desired square root?”. I want to address this first.
In both cases the question is structured as “show there exists a solution to this quadratic, hence $d$ is a square modulo $p$”. In the first question the quadratic is $x^2+x+1$, and in the second question it’s $x^2+x-1$. Notice that in each case the desired square root is exactly the discriminant $b^2 - 4ac$ from the quadratic formula.
Intuitively, the idea is that if a ring contains solutions to the quadratic then the square root in the quadratic formula “should” work in that ring. (This isn’t universally true: when a cubic polynomial has all real roots, the cubic formula still involves taking square roots of negative numbers.). The way to expose this explicitly is just to complete the square:
$$x^2 + x + 1 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 4 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 1 = -3, \
(2x+1)^2 = -3.$$
As for how to guess at the element which makes it work, in both cases we know that $mathbb Z_p$ contains a primitive $r$th root of unity for $r=3$ and $r=5$ respectively. In some sense that’s about all the specialized knowledge we possess. I think the author is hoping/expecting the reader to first try plugging in that root of unity into $a$, since there’s no simpler value to choose from, and the questions are designed to make this work on that first try.
For the second question it may have resulted in a rather intimidating-looking expression hiding inside the quadratic, but presumably the intent was for the first question to go very smoothly, giving the reader the hope that the exact same strategy will work for the second.
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Crystal clear, thank you. It would seem I can't approve both answers simultaneously even though they both kinda contributed to me fully understanding the problem
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A substantial part of your question seems to be “how do I intuitively arrive at an expression which yields the desired square root?”. I want to address this first.
In both cases the question is structured as “show there exists a solution to this quadratic, hence $d$ is a square modulo $p$”. In the first question the quadratic is $x^2+x+1$, and in the second question it’s $x^2+x-1$. Notice that in each case the desired square root is exactly the discriminant $b^2 - 4ac$ from the quadratic formula.
Intuitively, the idea is that if a ring contains solutions to the quadratic then the square root in the quadratic formula “should” work in that ring. (This isn’t universally true: when a cubic polynomial has all real roots, the cubic formula still involves taking square roots of negative numbers.). The way to expose this explicitly is just to complete the square:
$$x^2 + x + 1 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 4 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 1 = -3, \
(2x+1)^2 = -3.$$
As for how to guess at the element which makes it work, in both cases we know that $mathbb Z_p$ contains a primitive $r$th root of unity for $r=3$ and $r=5$ respectively. In some sense that’s about all the specialized knowledge we possess. I think the author is hoping/expecting the reader to first try plugging in that root of unity into $a$, since there’s no simpler value to choose from, and the questions are designed to make this work on that first try.
For the second question it may have resulted in a rather intimidating-looking expression hiding inside the quadratic, but presumably the intent was for the first question to go very smoothly, giving the reader the hope that the exact same strategy will work for the second.
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Crystal clear, thank you. It would seem I can't approve both answers simultaneously even though they both kinda contributed to me fully understanding the problem
$endgroup$
– Zeno
2 days ago
add a comment |
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A substantial part of your question seems to be “how do I intuitively arrive at an expression which yields the desired square root?”. I want to address this first.
In both cases the question is structured as “show there exists a solution to this quadratic, hence $d$ is a square modulo $p$”. In the first question the quadratic is $x^2+x+1$, and in the second question it’s $x^2+x-1$. Notice that in each case the desired square root is exactly the discriminant $b^2 - 4ac$ from the quadratic formula.
Intuitively, the idea is that if a ring contains solutions to the quadratic then the square root in the quadratic formula “should” work in that ring. (This isn’t universally true: when a cubic polynomial has all real roots, the cubic formula still involves taking square roots of negative numbers.). The way to expose this explicitly is just to complete the square:
$$x^2 + x + 1 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 4 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 1 = -3, \
(2x+1)^2 = -3.$$
As for how to guess at the element which makes it work, in both cases we know that $mathbb Z_p$ contains a primitive $r$th root of unity for $r=3$ and $r=5$ respectively. In some sense that’s about all the specialized knowledge we possess. I think the author is hoping/expecting the reader to first try plugging in that root of unity into $a$, since there’s no simpler value to choose from, and the questions are designed to make this work on that first try.
For the second question it may have resulted in a rather intimidating-looking expression hiding inside the quadratic, but presumably the intent was for the first question to go very smoothly, giving the reader the hope that the exact same strategy will work for the second.
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A substantial part of your question seems to be “how do I intuitively arrive at an expression which yields the desired square root?”. I want to address this first.
In both cases the question is structured as “show there exists a solution to this quadratic, hence $d$ is a square modulo $p$”. In the first question the quadratic is $x^2+x+1$, and in the second question it’s $x^2+x-1$. Notice that in each case the desired square root is exactly the discriminant $b^2 - 4ac$ from the quadratic formula.
Intuitively, the idea is that if a ring contains solutions to the quadratic then the square root in the quadratic formula “should” work in that ring. (This isn’t universally true: when a cubic polynomial has all real roots, the cubic formula still involves taking square roots of negative numbers.). The way to expose this explicitly is just to complete the square:
$$x^2 + x + 1 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 4 = 0, \
4x^2 + 4x + 1 = -3, \
(2x+1)^2 = -3.$$
As for how to guess at the element which makes it work, in both cases we know that $mathbb Z_p$ contains a primitive $r$th root of unity for $r=3$ and $r=5$ respectively. In some sense that’s about all the specialized knowledge we possess. I think the author is hoping/expecting the reader to first try plugging in that root of unity into $a$, since there’s no simpler value to choose from, and the questions are designed to make this work on that first try.
For the second question it may have resulted in a rather intimidating-looking expression hiding inside the quadratic, but presumably the intent was for the first question to go very smoothly, giving the reader the hope that the exact same strategy will work for the second.
answered 2 days ago
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Crystal clear, thank you. It would seem I can't approve both answers simultaneously even though they both kinda contributed to me fully understanding the problem
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– Zeno
2 days ago
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Crystal clear, thank you. It would seem I can't approve both answers simultaneously even though they both kinda contributed to me fully understanding the problem
$endgroup$
– Zeno
2 days ago
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$begingroup$
Crystal clear, thank you. It would seem I can't approve both answers simultaneously even though they both kinda contributed to me fully understanding the problem
$endgroup$
– Zeno
2 days ago
$begingroup$
Crystal clear, thank you. It would seem I can't approve both answers simultaneously even though they both kinda contributed to me fully understanding the problem
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– Zeno
2 days ago
add a comment |
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