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Landing in very high winds
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?Is it an acceptable practice to take off in a microburst?Raising flaps on touchdown in gusty conditionsHow do pilots detect and respond to windshear while landing and taking off?Why would aircraft take-off in the opposite direction as landing despite wind direction?open windshield during landing/takeoffWhy airliners fly so high even when winds are more suitable at a lower altitude?Why would a commercial flight be landing with a tailwind?What are the effects of headwind strength on landing?How safe is the Boeing 737-800 in high winds?Is 'bouncing' an airliner on landing in high winds a deliberate technique, or something always unexpected?What are the pros and cons of practising figure-eight landings on perpendicular runways?
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A few weeks ago, a storm passed through my area with winds reported at 55kt and gusting to 68kt. Many light planes managed to break their tie-down ropes and were flung around the ramp area, which isn't surprising given the storm's winds were definitely above a typical light plane's VS0, VS1 and VR, possibly above VREF, VX and even VY. Pilots being pilots, though, there were soon jokes about being able to take off and land vertically.
I understand that actually trying this would be a very bad idea, even before one considers the other aspects of the storm, e.g. lightning, rain, hail, low visibility, etc. that would make flying unsafe anyway. I would never even think of trying it. Still, it seems like an interesting theoretical question.
Is it even theoretically possible to "land" or "take off" in such winds, at least within the usual meaning of those words? I can see that you could fly to touchdown easily enough, but how would you stop flying? How could you taxi and secure an aircraft when you need significant power just to not go flying up (and probably backward) off the ramp?
landing takeoff wind
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A few weeks ago, a storm passed through my area with winds reported at 55kt and gusting to 68kt. Many light planes managed to break their tie-down ropes and were flung around the ramp area, which isn't surprising given the storm's winds were definitely above a typical light plane's VS0, VS1 and VR, possibly above VREF, VX and even VY. Pilots being pilots, though, there were soon jokes about being able to take off and land vertically.
I understand that actually trying this would be a very bad idea, even before one considers the other aspects of the storm, e.g. lightning, rain, hail, low visibility, etc. that would make flying unsafe anyway. I would never even think of trying it. Still, it seems like an interesting theoretical question.
Is it even theoretically possible to "land" or "take off" in such winds, at least within the usual meaning of those words? I can see that you could fly to touchdown easily enough, but how would you stop flying? How could you taxi and secure an aircraft when you need significant power just to not go flying up (and probably backward) off the ramp?
landing takeoff wind
asked Apr 8 at 21:51
StephenSStephenS
5,5731929
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Related: Is it an acceptable practice to take off in a microburst?
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– Ron Beyer
Apr 9 at 0:44
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A few weeks ago, a storm passed through my area with winds reported at 55kt and gusting to 68kt. Many light planes managed to break their tie-down ropes and were flung around the ramp area, which isn't surprising given the storm's winds were definitely above a typical light plane's VS0, VS1 and VR, possibly above VREF, VX and even VY. Pilots being pilots, though, there were soon jokes about being able to take off and land vertically.
I understand that actually trying this would be a very bad idea, even before one considers the other aspects of the storm, e.g. lightning, rain, hail, low visibility, etc. that would make flying unsafe anyway. I would never even think of trying it. Still, it seems like an interesting theoretical question.
Is it even theoretically possible to "land" or "take off" in such winds, at least within the usual meaning of those words? I can see that you could fly to touchdown easily enough, but how would you stop flying? How could you taxi and secure an aircraft when you need significant power just to not go flying up (and probably backward) off the ramp?
landing takeoff wind
asked Apr 8 at 21:51
StephenSStephenS
5,5731929
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A few weeks ago, a storm passed through my area with winds reported at 55kt and gusting to 68kt. Many light planes managed to break their tie-down ropes and were flung around the ramp area, which isn't surprising given the storm's winds were definitely above a typical light plane's VS0, VS1 and VR, possibly above VREF, VX and even VY. Pilots being pilots, though, there were soon jokes about being able to take off and land vertically.
I understand that actually trying this would be a very bad idea, even before one considers the other aspects of the storm, e.g. lightning, rain, hail, low visibility, etc. that would make flying unsafe anyway. I would never even think of trying it. Still, it seems like an interesting theoretical question.
Is it even theoretically possible to "land" or "take off" in such winds, at least within the usual meaning of those words? I can see that you could fly to touchdown easily enough, but how would you stop flying? How could you taxi and secure an aircraft when you need significant power just to not go flying up (and probably backward) off the ramp?
landing takeoff wind
landing takeoff wind
asked Apr 8 at 21:51
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asked Apr 8 at 21:51
StephenSStephenS
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asked Apr 8 at 21:51
StephenSStephenS
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asked Apr 8 at 21:51
StephenSStephenS
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asked Apr 8 at 21:51
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Related: Is it an acceptable practice to take off in a microburst?
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– Ron Beyer
Apr 9 at 0:44
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Related: Is it an acceptable practice to take off in a microburst?
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– Ron Beyer
Apr 9 at 0:44
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Related: Is it an acceptable practice to take off in a microburst?
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– Ron Beyer
Apr 9 at 0:44
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– Ron Beyer
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In an unmodified GA aircraft gusty winds would be beyond any reasonable safety limits.
In a steady wind the trick would be to reduce your AOA to a point where your airspeed no longer generated enough lift to exceed the weight of the plane. Immediately raising flaps after touch down and heavy braking would increase your chances (you may not have much
ground speed at all anyways!).
The Space Shuttle Orbiter used a shortened nose wheel strut to help hold the
runway after landing at over 200 mph (making its own Category 5 hurricane).
Once the nose dropped through 0 lift AOA and into negative lift AOA, the wind would
actually help hold it on the runway.
But for the average Cessna, the best move is not to put yourself in that situation.
Check weather before flying, and divert to a safer airport if you can. A large airport with
long, wide runways and someone to help you would greatly improve the odds.
If you had to land, it would be directly into the wind. Once down, taxi into the wind with
some down elevator. I would be screaming on the radio for people to help secure the plane.
But if you get down, save your life first, then the plane if you can.
answered Apr 9 at 0:58
Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni
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+1 for last sentence
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– vasin1987
Apr 9 at 3:21
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indeed. I've seen the aftermath of a very heavy storm on improperly secured commuter planes, and it wasn't pretty. That same storm would have blown an unsecured C172 right into the side of a hangar (or another aircraft). Bad enough if nobody's on board, but if you are on board it's far worse.
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– jwenting
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It can be done. Some bushplane action...
answered Apr 9 at 1:22
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In an unmodified GA aircraft gusty winds would be beyond any reasonable safety limits.
In a steady wind the trick would be to reduce your AOA to a point where your airspeed no longer generated enough lift to exceed the weight of the plane. Immediately raising flaps after touch down and heavy braking would increase your chances (you may not have much
ground speed at all anyways!).
The Space Shuttle Orbiter used a shortened nose wheel strut to help hold the
runway after landing at over 200 mph (making its own Category 5 hurricane).
Once the nose dropped through 0 lift AOA and into negative lift AOA, the wind would
actually help hold it on the runway.
But for the average Cessna, the best move is not to put yourself in that situation.
Check weather before flying, and divert to a safer airport if you can. A large airport with
long, wide runways and someone to help you would greatly improve the odds.
If you had to land, it would be directly into the wind. Once down, taxi into the wind with
some down elevator. I would be screaming on the radio for people to help secure the plane.
But if you get down, save your life first, then the plane if you can.
answered Apr 9 at 0:58
Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni
2,8751316
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+1 for last sentence
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– vasin1987
Apr 9 at 3:21
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indeed. I've seen the aftermath of a very heavy storm on improperly secured commuter planes, and it wasn't pretty. That same storm would have blown an unsecured C172 right into the side of a hangar (or another aircraft). Bad enough if nobody's on board, but if you are on board it's far worse.
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– jwenting
Apr 9 at 4:22
add a comment |
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In an unmodified GA aircraft gusty winds would be beyond any reasonable safety limits.
In a steady wind the trick would be to reduce your AOA to a point where your airspeed no longer generated enough lift to exceed the weight of the plane. Immediately raising flaps after touch down and heavy braking would increase your chances (you may not have much
ground speed at all anyways!).
The Space Shuttle Orbiter used a shortened nose wheel strut to help hold the
runway after landing at over 200 mph (making its own Category 5 hurricane).
Once the nose dropped through 0 lift AOA and into negative lift AOA, the wind would
actually help hold it on the runway.
But for the average Cessna, the best move is not to put yourself in that situation.
Check weather before flying, and divert to a safer airport if you can. A large airport with
long, wide runways and someone to help you would greatly improve the odds.
If you had to land, it would be directly into the wind. Once down, taxi into the wind with
some down elevator. I would be screaming on the radio for people to help secure the plane.
But if you get down, save your life first, then the plane if you can.
answered Apr 9 at 0:58
Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni
2,8751316
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
+1 for last sentence
$endgroup$
– vasin1987
Apr 9 at 3:21
$begingroup$
indeed. I've seen the aftermath of a very heavy storm on improperly secured commuter planes, and it wasn't pretty. That same storm would have blown an unsecured C172 right into the side of a hangar (or another aircraft). Bad enough if nobody's on board, but if you are on board it's far worse.
$endgroup$
– jwenting
Apr 9 at 4:22
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In an unmodified GA aircraft gusty winds would be beyond any reasonable safety limits.
In a steady wind the trick would be to reduce your AOA to a point where your airspeed no longer generated enough lift to exceed the weight of the plane. Immediately raising flaps after touch down and heavy braking would increase your chances (you may not have much
ground speed at all anyways!).
The Space Shuttle Orbiter used a shortened nose wheel strut to help hold the
runway after landing at over 200 mph (making its own Category 5 hurricane).
Once the nose dropped through 0 lift AOA and into negative lift AOA, the wind would
actually help hold it on the runway.
But for the average Cessna, the best move is not to put yourself in that situation.
Check weather before flying, and divert to a safer airport if you can. A large airport with
long, wide runways and someone to help you would greatly improve the odds.
If you had to land, it would be directly into the wind. Once down, taxi into the wind with
some down elevator. I would be screaming on the radio for people to help secure the plane.
But if you get down, save your life first, then the plane if you can.
answered Apr 9 at 0:58
Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni
2,8751316
$endgroup$
In an unmodified GA aircraft gusty winds would be beyond any reasonable safety limits.
In a steady wind the trick would be to reduce your AOA to a point where your airspeed no longer generated enough lift to exceed the weight of the plane. Immediately raising flaps after touch down and heavy braking would increase your chances (you may not have much
ground speed at all anyways!).
The Space Shuttle Orbiter used a shortened nose wheel strut to help hold the
runway after landing at over 200 mph (making its own Category 5 hurricane).
Once the nose dropped through 0 lift AOA and into negative lift AOA, the wind would
actually help hold it on the runway.
But for the average Cessna, the best move is not to put yourself in that situation.
Check weather before flying, and divert to a safer airport if you can. A large airport with
long, wide runways and someone to help you would greatly improve the odds.
If you had to land, it would be directly into the wind. Once down, taxi into the wind with
some down elevator. I would be screaming on the radio for people to help secure the plane.
But if you get down, save your life first, then the plane if you can.
answered Apr 9 at 0:58
Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni
2,8751316
edited Apr 9 at 1:51
answered Apr 9 at 0:58
Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni
2,8751316
answered Apr 9 at 0:58
Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni
2,8751316
answered Apr 9 at 0:58
Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni
2,8751316
2,8751316
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+1 for last sentence
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– vasin1987
Apr 9 at 3:21
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indeed. I've seen the aftermath of a very heavy storm on improperly secured commuter planes, and it wasn't pretty. That same storm would have blown an unsecured C172 right into the side of a hangar (or another aircraft). Bad enough if nobody's on board, but if you are on board it's far worse.
$endgroup$
– jwenting
Apr 9 at 4:22
add a comment |
$begingroup$
+1 for last sentence
$endgroup$
– vasin1987
Apr 9 at 3:21
$begingroup$
indeed. I've seen the aftermath of a very heavy storm on improperly secured commuter planes, and it wasn't pretty. That same storm would have blown an unsecured C172 right into the side of a hangar (or another aircraft). Bad enough if nobody's on board, but if you are on board it's far worse.
$endgroup$
– jwenting
Apr 9 at 4:22
$begingroup$
+1 for last sentence
$endgroup$
– vasin1987
Apr 9 at 3:21
$begingroup$
+1 for last sentence
$endgroup$
– vasin1987
Apr 9 at 3:21
$begingroup$
indeed. I've seen the aftermath of a very heavy storm on improperly secured commuter planes, and it wasn't pretty. That same storm would have blown an unsecured C172 right into the side of a hangar (or another aircraft). Bad enough if nobody's on board, but if you are on board it's far worse.
$endgroup$
– jwenting
Apr 9 at 4:22
$begingroup$
indeed. I've seen the aftermath of a very heavy storm on improperly secured commuter planes, and it wasn't pretty. That same storm would have blown an unsecured C172 right into the side of a hangar (or another aircraft). Bad enough if nobody's on board, but if you are on board it's far worse.
$endgroup$
– jwenting
Apr 9 at 4:22
add a comment |
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It can be done. Some bushplane action...
answered Apr 9 at 1:22
MikeYMikeY
82417
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
It can be done. Some bushplane action...
answered Apr 9 at 1:22
MikeYMikeY
82417
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It can be done. Some bushplane action...
answered Apr 9 at 1:22
MikeYMikeY
82417
$endgroup$
It can be done. Some bushplane action...
answered Apr 9 at 1:22
MikeYMikeY
82417
answered Apr 9 at 1:22
MikeYMikeY
82417
answered Apr 9 at 1:22
MikeYMikeY
82417
answered Apr 9 at 1:22
MikeYMikeY
82417
82417
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