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Can Pesach Mitzvot be performed before sunset?
Pesach/Passover
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)
Best answer contest: Second quarter of 5779
To celebrate Mi Yodeya's tenth birthday, let's divide and conquer the entire…Gefiltah Fish Erev PesachKiddush on Bread: When to Wash?How does one proceed at a stand-up Kiddush?Chatzi LaHashemeating before kiddushCan sefardim eat lafa before Pesach?Can you buy juice before Pesach without a Pesach certification?Are milchigs forbidden on Yom Tov? What about Shavuos?Why only four cups of wine during the seder instead of giving each obligation its own separate cup of wine?White or wheat? Matzah on Pesach (Passover)
I had an argument with a friend about when you can perform the Pesach seder mitzvot of eating a kezayit of shmurah matzah and drinking four glasses of wine (beginning with kiddush).
My friend said that you must wait until after sunset to say kiddush and eat the kezayit of matzah since these mitzvot remind us of the exodus from Mitzrayim. Therefore, these mitzvot must be performed at the time the Jews left Egypt, after sunset following the day of the 14th of Nisan.
I said that this is true, unless you choose to bring yom tov in early (earlier than sunset). I rationalized that, just as with Shabbat, once you bring in yom tov, you can perform kiddush (even if before sunset). And, when you get to the part of the seder to eat Matzah, you can also fulfill this obligation as well.
So the question is, if you choose to bring in yom tov early, do you still have to wait until sunset to start the seder and say kiddush (fulfilling the obligation of drinking the first of the four cups of wine)? Similarly, if you bring in yom tov early, do you nevertheless have to wait until sunset to eat matzah?
passover yom-tov kiddush matzah sunset-shekia
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I had an argument with a friend about when you can perform the Pesach seder mitzvot of eating a kezayit of shmurah matzah and drinking four glasses of wine (beginning with kiddush).
My friend said that you must wait until after sunset to say kiddush and eat the kezayit of matzah since these mitzvot remind us of the exodus from Mitzrayim. Therefore, these mitzvot must be performed at the time the Jews left Egypt, after sunset following the day of the 14th of Nisan.
I said that this is true, unless you choose to bring yom tov in early (earlier than sunset). I rationalized that, just as with Shabbat, once you bring in yom tov, you can perform kiddush (even if before sunset). And, when you get to the part of the seder to eat Matzah, you can also fulfill this obligation as well.
So the question is, if you choose to bring in yom tov early, do you still have to wait until sunset to start the seder and say kiddush (fulfilling the obligation of drinking the first of the four cups of wine)? Similarly, if you bring in yom tov early, do you nevertheless have to wait until sunset to eat matzah?
passover yom-tov kiddush matzah sunset-shekia
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Is there a mitzvah to take Yom Tov early as there is with Shabbat?
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:20
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@JoshK it is a mitzvah to add to the holy of Yom Tov, just as Shabbat. See Yoma 81b (translation from Sefaria): And I have derived only the mitzva of adding to Yom Kippur; from where is it derived that one must also sanctify and append time before and after Festivals? The verse states: “You shall rest” (Leviticus 23:32), to teach that this rule applies even to Festivals, on which one is commanded to rest.
– D A
Apr 9 at 3:44
תדה , @D A, I couldn't find a source on that
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:50
I believe the Maharal rules that one must eat a kzayith (olive-sized portion) of bread after tzeith hakochavim (the emergence of the stars) even when making Shabbath early.
– Loewian
Apr 9 at 4:47
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I had an argument with a friend about when you can perform the Pesach seder mitzvot of eating a kezayit of shmurah matzah and drinking four glasses of wine (beginning with kiddush).
My friend said that you must wait until after sunset to say kiddush and eat the kezayit of matzah since these mitzvot remind us of the exodus from Mitzrayim. Therefore, these mitzvot must be performed at the time the Jews left Egypt, after sunset following the day of the 14th of Nisan.
I said that this is true, unless you choose to bring yom tov in early (earlier than sunset). I rationalized that, just as with Shabbat, once you bring in yom tov, you can perform kiddush (even if before sunset). And, when you get to the part of the seder to eat Matzah, you can also fulfill this obligation as well.
So the question is, if you choose to bring in yom tov early, do you still have to wait until sunset to start the seder and say kiddush (fulfilling the obligation of drinking the first of the four cups of wine)? Similarly, if you bring in yom tov early, do you nevertheless have to wait until sunset to eat matzah?
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I had an argument with a friend about when you can perform the Pesach seder mitzvot of eating a kezayit of shmurah matzah and drinking four glasses of wine (beginning with kiddush).
My friend said that you must wait until after sunset to say kiddush and eat the kezayit of matzah since these mitzvot remind us of the exodus from Mitzrayim. Therefore, these mitzvot must be performed at the time the Jews left Egypt, after sunset following the day of the 14th of Nisan.
I said that this is true, unless you choose to bring yom tov in early (earlier than sunset). I rationalized that, just as with Shabbat, once you bring in yom tov, you can perform kiddush (even if before sunset). And, when you get to the part of the seder to eat Matzah, you can also fulfill this obligation as well.
So the question is, if you choose to bring in yom tov early, do you still have to wait until sunset to start the seder and say kiddush (fulfilling the obligation of drinking the first of the four cups of wine)? Similarly, if you bring in yom tov early, do you nevertheless have to wait until sunset to eat matzah?
passover yom-tov kiddush matzah sunset-shekia
passover yom-tov kiddush matzah sunset-shekia
edited Apr 9 at 8:16
Alex
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asked Apr 9 at 2:56
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edited Apr 9 at 8:16
Alex
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asked Apr 9 at 2:56
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edited Apr 9 at 8:16
Alex
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edited Apr 9 at 8:16
Alex
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edited Apr 9 at 8:16
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asked Apr 9 at 2:56
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Is there a mitzvah to take Yom Tov early as there is with Shabbat?
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:20
1
@JoshK it is a mitzvah to add to the holy of Yom Tov, just as Shabbat. See Yoma 81b (translation from Sefaria): And I have derived only the mitzva of adding to Yom Kippur; from where is it derived that one must also sanctify and append time before and after Festivals? The verse states: “You shall rest” (Leviticus 23:32), to teach that this rule applies even to Festivals, on which one is commanded to rest.
– D A
Apr 9 at 3:44
תדה , @D A, I couldn't find a source on that
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:50
I believe the Maharal rules that one must eat a kzayith (olive-sized portion) of bread after tzeith hakochavim (the emergence of the stars) even when making Shabbath early.
– Loewian
Apr 9 at 4:47
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Is there a mitzvah to take Yom Tov early as there is with Shabbat?
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:20
1
@JoshK it is a mitzvah to add to the holy of Yom Tov, just as Shabbat. See Yoma 81b (translation from Sefaria): And I have derived only the mitzva of adding to Yom Kippur; from where is it derived that one must also sanctify and append time before and after Festivals? The verse states: “You shall rest” (Leviticus 23:32), to teach that this rule applies even to Festivals, on which one is commanded to rest.
– D A
Apr 9 at 3:44
תדה , @D A, I couldn't find a source on that
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:50
I believe the Maharal rules that one must eat a kzayith (olive-sized portion) of bread after tzeith hakochavim (the emergence of the stars) even when making Shabbath early.
– Loewian
Apr 9 at 4:47
Is there a mitzvah to take Yom Tov early as there is with Shabbat?
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:20
Is there a mitzvah to take Yom Tov early as there is with Shabbat?
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:20
1
1
@JoshK it is a mitzvah to add to the holy of Yom Tov, just as Shabbat. See Yoma 81b (translation from Sefaria): And I have derived only the mitzva of adding to Yom Kippur; from where is it derived that one must also sanctify and append time before and after Festivals? The verse states: “You shall rest” (Leviticus 23:32), to teach that this rule applies even to Festivals, on which one is commanded to rest.
– D A
Apr 9 at 3:44
@JoshK it is a mitzvah to add to the holy of Yom Tov, just as Shabbat. See Yoma 81b (translation from Sefaria): And I have derived only the mitzva of adding to Yom Kippur; from where is it derived that one must also sanctify and append time before and after Festivals? The verse states: “You shall rest” (Leviticus 23:32), to teach that this rule applies even to Festivals, on which one is commanded to rest.
– D A
Apr 9 at 3:44
תדה , @D A, I couldn't find a source on that
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:50
תדה , @D A, I couldn't find a source on that
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:50
I believe the Maharal rules that one must eat a kzayith (olive-sized portion) of bread after tzeith hakochavim (the emergence of the stars) even when making Shabbath early.
– Loewian
Apr 9 at 4:47
I believe the Maharal rules that one must eat a kzayith (olive-sized portion) of bread after tzeith hakochavim (the emergence of the stars) even when making Shabbath early.
– Loewian
Apr 9 at 4:47
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You cannot begin to recite Kiddush, drink 4 cups and eat matsa and maror before the night (exit of the stars, later than sunset). The time the Jews left Egypt was at night. And the korban Pesach and matsot were eaten at night. Further eating of pesach dorot was established by Tora as a night mitsva.
Shulchan Aruch Orach Chayim 472.1
אבל לא יאמר קידוש עד שתחשך:
One doesn't say Kiddush until it gets dark.
Mishna Berura
(ד) אבל לא יאמר קידוש - ר"ל דלא תימא כיון שמצוה למהר יתחיל הקידוש וההגדה מבעוד יום כמו שמצינו בשבת ויו"ט שיכול להוסיף מחול על הקודש ולקדש ולאכול מבעוד יום וכנ"ל בסימן רס"ז קמ"ל דלגבי פסח אינו כן לפי שאכילת מצה הוקשה לפסח שנאמר על מצות ומרורים יאכלוהו ופסח אינו נאכל אלא בלילה והקידוש צריך להיות בשעה הראויה למצה ועוד דכוס של קידוש הוא אחד מארבע כוסות וכולהו בתר הגדה ומצה ומרור גרירי:
Regarding Pesach, because eating matsa is linked in the verse to Pascal sacrifice. The verse says that they must to eat it with matsot and maror. And pesach is eaten only by night. And Kiddush needs to be at a time adapted to eating matsa. Additionally, the Kiddush cup is one of the four cups and all 4 cups follow hagada, matsa and maror.
See also Aruch Hashulchan
answered Apr 9 at 3:45
koutykouty
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This isn't quite accurate. One can say Kiddush before sunset but it won't count for the first of the four cups. Someone who only has one cup of wine and no Matza can say Kiddush before sunset no problem, since he won't be able to do those Mitzvot later anyway (or some other extreme example probably involving soldiers or hospitals)
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 12:05
Right but the first cause is not only Kiddush. He is also one of the 4 cups. I treated the general case after poskim. I only pasted. Moreover, to make Kiddush is linked to seuda and seuda is based on matsa
– kouty
Apr 9 at 12:16
Seudah could be based on Knaidels or a second cup of wine. Consider the case of a Jewish soldier who will be out on patrol all night and only has access to wine around Plag. Clearly he still says Kiddush and eats then MiDin Yom Tov.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 16:59
@Double AA It's consistent indeed. So, why poskim I quoted say not to begin Kiddush before night?
– kouty
Apr 9 at 20:31
Because usually אפילו עני בישראל has four cups of wine and Matza on pesach night. The soldier or hospital cases are rare and were classically practically non-existent.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 20:40
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You cannot begin to recite Kiddush, drink 4 cups and eat matsa and maror before the night (exit of the stars, later than sunset). The time the Jews left Egypt was at night. And the korban Pesach and matsot were eaten at night. Further eating of pesach dorot was established by Tora as a night mitsva.
Shulchan Aruch Orach Chayim 472.1
אבל לא יאמר קידוש עד שתחשך:
One doesn't say Kiddush until it gets dark.
Mishna Berura
(ד) אבל לא יאמר קידוש - ר"ל דלא תימא כיון שמצוה למהר יתחיל הקידוש וההגדה מבעוד יום כמו שמצינו בשבת ויו"ט שיכול להוסיף מחול על הקודש ולקדש ולאכול מבעוד יום וכנ"ל בסימן רס"ז קמ"ל דלגבי פסח אינו כן לפי שאכילת מצה הוקשה לפסח שנאמר על מצות ומרורים יאכלוהו ופסח אינו נאכל אלא בלילה והקידוש צריך להיות בשעה הראויה למצה ועוד דכוס של קידוש הוא אחד מארבע כוסות וכולהו בתר הגדה ומצה ומרור גרירי:
Regarding Pesach, because eating matsa is linked in the verse to Pascal sacrifice. The verse says that they must to eat it with matsot and maror. And pesach is eaten only by night. And Kiddush needs to be at a time adapted to eating matsa. Additionally, the Kiddush cup is one of the four cups and all 4 cups follow hagada, matsa and maror.
See also Aruch Hashulchan
answered Apr 9 at 3:45
koutykouty
16k32047
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This isn't quite accurate. One can say Kiddush before sunset but it won't count for the first of the four cups. Someone who only has one cup of wine and no Matza can say Kiddush before sunset no problem, since he won't be able to do those Mitzvot later anyway (or some other extreme example probably involving soldiers or hospitals)
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 12:05
Right but the first cause is not only Kiddush. He is also one of the 4 cups. I treated the general case after poskim. I only pasted. Moreover, to make Kiddush is linked to seuda and seuda is based on matsa
– kouty
Apr 9 at 12:16
Seudah could be based on Knaidels or a second cup of wine. Consider the case of a Jewish soldier who will be out on patrol all night and only has access to wine around Plag. Clearly he still says Kiddush and eats then MiDin Yom Tov.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 16:59
@Double AA It's consistent indeed. So, why poskim I quoted say not to begin Kiddush before night?
– kouty
Apr 9 at 20:31
Because usually אפילו עני בישראל has four cups of wine and Matza on pesach night. The soldier or hospital cases are rare and were classically practically non-existent.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 20:40
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You cannot begin to recite Kiddush, drink 4 cups and eat matsa and maror before the night (exit of the stars, later than sunset). The time the Jews left Egypt was at night. And the korban Pesach and matsot were eaten at night. Further eating of pesach dorot was established by Tora as a night mitsva.
Shulchan Aruch Orach Chayim 472.1
אבל לא יאמר קידוש עד שתחשך:
One doesn't say Kiddush until it gets dark.
Mishna Berura
(ד) אבל לא יאמר קידוש - ר"ל דלא תימא כיון שמצוה למהר יתחיל הקידוש וההגדה מבעוד יום כמו שמצינו בשבת ויו"ט שיכול להוסיף מחול על הקודש ולקדש ולאכול מבעוד יום וכנ"ל בסימן רס"ז קמ"ל דלגבי פסח אינו כן לפי שאכילת מצה הוקשה לפסח שנאמר על מצות ומרורים יאכלוהו ופסח אינו נאכל אלא בלילה והקידוש צריך להיות בשעה הראויה למצה ועוד דכוס של קידוש הוא אחד מארבע כוסות וכולהו בתר הגדה ומצה ומרור גרירי:
Regarding Pesach, because eating matsa is linked in the verse to Pascal sacrifice. The verse says that they must to eat it with matsot and maror. And pesach is eaten only by night. And Kiddush needs to be at a time adapted to eating matsa. Additionally, the Kiddush cup is one of the four cups and all 4 cups follow hagada, matsa and maror.
See also Aruch Hashulchan
answered Apr 9 at 3:45
koutykouty
16k32047
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This isn't quite accurate. One can say Kiddush before sunset but it won't count for the first of the four cups. Someone who only has one cup of wine and no Matza can say Kiddush before sunset no problem, since he won't be able to do those Mitzvot later anyway (or some other extreme example probably involving soldiers or hospitals)
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 12:05
Right but the first cause is not only Kiddush. He is also one of the 4 cups. I treated the general case after poskim. I only pasted. Moreover, to make Kiddush is linked to seuda and seuda is based on matsa
– kouty
Apr 9 at 12:16
Seudah could be based on Knaidels or a second cup of wine. Consider the case of a Jewish soldier who will be out on patrol all night and only has access to wine around Plag. Clearly he still says Kiddush and eats then MiDin Yom Tov.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 16:59
@Double AA It's consistent indeed. So, why poskim I quoted say not to begin Kiddush before night?
– kouty
Apr 9 at 20:31
Because usually אפילו עני בישראל has four cups of wine and Matza on pesach night. The soldier or hospital cases are rare and were classically practically non-existent.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 20:40
|
show 1 more comment
You cannot begin to recite Kiddush, drink 4 cups and eat matsa and maror before the night (exit of the stars, later than sunset). The time the Jews left Egypt was at night. And the korban Pesach and matsot were eaten at night. Further eating of pesach dorot was established by Tora as a night mitsva.
Shulchan Aruch Orach Chayim 472.1
אבל לא יאמר קידוש עד שתחשך:
One doesn't say Kiddush until it gets dark.
Mishna Berura
(ד) אבל לא יאמר קידוש - ר"ל דלא תימא כיון שמצוה למהר יתחיל הקידוש וההגדה מבעוד יום כמו שמצינו בשבת ויו"ט שיכול להוסיף מחול על הקודש ולקדש ולאכול מבעוד יום וכנ"ל בסימן רס"ז קמ"ל דלגבי פסח אינו כן לפי שאכילת מצה הוקשה לפסח שנאמר על מצות ומרורים יאכלוהו ופסח אינו נאכל אלא בלילה והקידוש צריך להיות בשעה הראויה למצה ועוד דכוס של קידוש הוא אחד מארבע כוסות וכולהו בתר הגדה ומצה ומרור גרירי:
Regarding Pesach, because eating matsa is linked in the verse to Pascal sacrifice. The verse says that they must to eat it with matsot and maror. And pesach is eaten only by night. And Kiddush needs to be at a time adapted to eating matsa. Additionally, the Kiddush cup is one of the four cups and all 4 cups follow hagada, matsa and maror.
See also Aruch Hashulchan
answered Apr 9 at 3:45
koutykouty
16k32047
You cannot begin to recite Kiddush, drink 4 cups and eat matsa and maror before the night (exit of the stars, later than sunset). The time the Jews left Egypt was at night. And the korban Pesach and matsot were eaten at night. Further eating of pesach dorot was established by Tora as a night mitsva.
Shulchan Aruch Orach Chayim 472.1
אבל לא יאמר קידוש עד שתחשך:
One doesn't say Kiddush until it gets dark.
Mishna Berura
(ד) אבל לא יאמר קידוש - ר"ל דלא תימא כיון שמצוה למהר יתחיל הקידוש וההגדה מבעוד יום כמו שמצינו בשבת ויו"ט שיכול להוסיף מחול על הקודש ולקדש ולאכול מבעוד יום וכנ"ל בסימן רס"ז קמ"ל דלגבי פסח אינו כן לפי שאכילת מצה הוקשה לפסח שנאמר על מצות ומרורים יאכלוהו ופסח אינו נאכל אלא בלילה והקידוש צריך להיות בשעה הראויה למצה ועוד דכוס של קידוש הוא אחד מארבע כוסות וכולהו בתר הגדה ומצה ומרור גרירי:
Regarding Pesach, because eating matsa is linked in the verse to Pascal sacrifice. The verse says that they must to eat it with matsot and maror. And pesach is eaten only by night. And Kiddush needs to be at a time adapted to eating matsa. Additionally, the Kiddush cup is one of the four cups and all 4 cups follow hagada, matsa and maror.
See also Aruch Hashulchan
answered Apr 9 at 3:45
koutykouty
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answered Apr 9 at 3:45
koutykouty
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answered Apr 9 at 3:45
koutykouty
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answered Apr 9 at 3:45
koutykouty
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This isn't quite accurate. One can say Kiddush before sunset but it won't count for the first of the four cups. Someone who only has one cup of wine and no Matza can say Kiddush before sunset no problem, since he won't be able to do those Mitzvot later anyway (or some other extreme example probably involving soldiers or hospitals)
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 12:05
Right but the first cause is not only Kiddush. He is also one of the 4 cups. I treated the general case after poskim. I only pasted. Moreover, to make Kiddush is linked to seuda and seuda is based on matsa
– kouty
Apr 9 at 12:16
Seudah could be based on Knaidels or a second cup of wine. Consider the case of a Jewish soldier who will be out on patrol all night and only has access to wine around Plag. Clearly he still says Kiddush and eats then MiDin Yom Tov.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 16:59
@Double AA It's consistent indeed. So, why poskim I quoted say not to begin Kiddush before night?
– kouty
Apr 9 at 20:31
Because usually אפילו עני בישראל has four cups of wine and Matza on pesach night. The soldier or hospital cases are rare and were classically practically non-existent.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 20:40
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This isn't quite accurate. One can say Kiddush before sunset but it won't count for the first of the four cups. Someone who only has one cup of wine and no Matza can say Kiddush before sunset no problem, since he won't be able to do those Mitzvot later anyway (or some other extreme example probably involving soldiers or hospitals)
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 12:05
Right but the first cause is not only Kiddush. He is also one of the 4 cups. I treated the general case after poskim. I only pasted. Moreover, to make Kiddush is linked to seuda and seuda is based on matsa
– kouty
Apr 9 at 12:16
Seudah could be based on Knaidels or a second cup of wine. Consider the case of a Jewish soldier who will be out on patrol all night and only has access to wine around Plag. Clearly he still says Kiddush and eats then MiDin Yom Tov.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 16:59
@Double AA It's consistent indeed. So, why poskim I quoted say not to begin Kiddush before night?
– kouty
Apr 9 at 20:31
Because usually אפילו עני בישראל has four cups of wine and Matza on pesach night. The soldier or hospital cases are rare and were classically practically non-existent.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 20:40
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This isn't quite accurate. One can say Kiddush before sunset but it won't count for the first of the four cups. Someone who only has one cup of wine and no Matza can say Kiddush before sunset no problem, since he won't be able to do those Mitzvot later anyway (or some other extreme example probably involving soldiers or hospitals)
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 12:05
This isn't quite accurate. One can say Kiddush before sunset but it won't count for the first of the four cups. Someone who only has one cup of wine and no Matza can say Kiddush before sunset no problem, since he won't be able to do those Mitzvot later anyway (or some other extreme example probably involving soldiers or hospitals)
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 12:05
Right but the first cause is not only Kiddush. He is also one of the 4 cups. I treated the general case after poskim. I only pasted. Moreover, to make Kiddush is linked to seuda and seuda is based on matsa
– kouty
Apr 9 at 12:16
Right but the first cause is not only Kiddush. He is also one of the 4 cups. I treated the general case after poskim. I only pasted. Moreover, to make Kiddush is linked to seuda and seuda is based on matsa
– kouty
Apr 9 at 12:16
Seudah could be based on Knaidels or a second cup of wine. Consider the case of a Jewish soldier who will be out on patrol all night and only has access to wine around Plag. Clearly he still says Kiddush and eats then MiDin Yom Tov.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 16:59
Seudah could be based on Knaidels or a second cup of wine. Consider the case of a Jewish soldier who will be out on patrol all night and only has access to wine around Plag. Clearly he still says Kiddush and eats then MiDin Yom Tov.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 16:59
@Double AA It's consistent indeed. So, why poskim I quoted say not to begin Kiddush before night?
– kouty
Apr 9 at 20:31
@Double AA It's consistent indeed. So, why poskim I quoted say not to begin Kiddush before night?
– kouty
Apr 9 at 20:31
Because usually אפילו עני בישראל has four cups of wine and Matza on pesach night. The soldier or hospital cases are rare and were classically practically non-existent.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 20:40
Because usually אפילו עני בישראל has four cups of wine and Matza on pesach night. The soldier or hospital cases are rare and were classically practically non-existent.
– Double AA♦
Apr 9 at 20:40
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Is there a mitzvah to take Yom Tov early as there is with Shabbat?
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:20
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@JoshK it is a mitzvah to add to the holy of Yom Tov, just as Shabbat. See Yoma 81b (translation from Sefaria): And I have derived only the mitzva of adding to Yom Kippur; from where is it derived that one must also sanctify and append time before and after Festivals? The verse states: “You shall rest” (Leviticus 23:32), to teach that this rule applies even to Festivals, on which one is commanded to rest.
– D A
Apr 9 at 3:44
תדה , @D A, I couldn't find a source on that
– Josh K
Apr 9 at 3:50
I believe the Maharal rules that one must eat a kzayith (olive-sized portion) of bread after tzeith hakochavim (the emergence of the stars) even when making Shabbath early.
– Loewian
Apr 9 at 4:47