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Given that $forall x,y in mathbbR, f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y + y$, determine $f'(x)$
Find $f(x)$ such that $f(f(x)) = x^2 - 2$Find all $f:mathbb Rtomathbb R$ such that $forall x,yinmathbb R$ the given equality holds: $xf(y)+yf(x)=(x+y)f(x)f(y)$.Is there a function $f:mathbbRtomathbbR$ such that $fcirc fcirc f=Id.$, but $fneq Id.$?If $f$ is continuous and $f(x+y) = f(x)+f(y)$, then $f(x) = cx$ for all $x in mathbbR$If $f(x-f(y))=f(-x)+(f(y)-2x)cdot f(-y)$ what is $f(x)$No function $f:mathbbZrightarrow 1, 2, 3$ satisfying $f(x)ne f(y)$ for all integers $x,y$ and $|x-y|in2, 3, 5$Is identity the only function $f$ on real line satisfying $ f(x +f(y) + yf(x)) = y +f(x) + xf(y) ,forall x,y in mathbb R$?Find $f'(0)$ if $f(x)+f(2x)=xspacespaceforall x$Find all functions $f:mathbbNrightarrowmathbbN$ such that $varphi(f(x+y))=varphi(f(x))+varphi(f(y))quadforall x,yinmathbbN$Functional equation for the lambert w function?
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Given that $forall x,y in mathbbR, f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y + y$, determine $f'(x)$.
I tried plugging in spacial cases like letting $x=y=0$, but it did not seem to get me anywhere.
(The question does not state anything about continuity. What should I assume in such cases?)
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Given that $forall x,y in mathbbR, f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y + y$, determine $f'(x)$.
I tried plugging in spacial cases like letting $x=y=0$, but it did not seem to get me anywhere.
(The question does not state anything about continuity. What should I assume in such cases?)
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Given that $forall x,y in mathbbR, f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y + y$, determine $f'(x)$.
I tried plugging in spacial cases like letting $x=y=0$, but it did not seem to get me anywhere.
(The question does not state anything about continuity. What should I assume in such cases?)
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Given that $forall x,y in mathbbR, f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y + y$, determine $f'(x)$.
I tried plugging in spacial cases like letting $x=y=0$, but it did not seem to get me anywhere.
(The question does not state anything about continuity. What should I assume in such cases?)
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Answer: $f'$ does not exist.
If we put $y=-x$ we get $$f(0) = f(x)-x^2-x,$$ so $$f(x)=x^2+x+a$$ where $a=f(0).$
So plugging this into the starting equation we get $$(x+y)^2+x+y+a = x^2+x+a+xy+y$$
and we get $$y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y,$$
a contradiction. Such a function does not exist, so $f'(x)$ also does not exist.
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$x=0$ also works, giving $f(y)=f(0)+y$ a linear function, another contradictory result...
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@Sil, for the less discerning, why is it contradictory for $f(y)$ to be linear when $x$ is fixed at $0$?
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@Daniel Because if you substitute $f(x)=x+a$ back to the original equation you get $xy=0$ for all $x,y in mathbbR$, which is absurd (similarly to Maria's $y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y$).
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Regarding continuity, we could use the fact that the functional equation $$f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y+ytag1$$ holds for all real $x,y$ to prove that $f$ must be continuous everywhere.
First of all, it should be clear from $(1)$ that $f$ must be defined on the whole real line. Such a function $f$ will be continuous if and only if for all $epsilon>0$ and all $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $$bigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr|<epsilon$$ for all $yin(-delta,delta).$ Since begineqnarraybigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr| &overset(1)=& bigl|f(x)+xcdot y+y-f(x)bigr|\ &=& |xcdot y+y|\ &=& bigl|(x+1)cdot ybigr|\ &=& |x+1|cdot|y|,endeqnarray this means we must show that for all $epsilon>0$ and $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $|x+1|cdot|y|<epsilon$ whenever $|y|<delta.$ Would you be able to take it from there?
However, it would be even more straightforward to prove that $f$ is differentiable everywhere (by explicitly calculating the derivative), since differentiable functions are continuous. begineqnarrayf'(x) &:=& lim_hto 0fracf(x+h)-f(x)h\ &overset(1)=& lim_hto 0fracf(x)+xcdot h+h-f(x)h\ &=& lim_hto 0frac(x+1)cdot hh\ &=& lim_hto 0x+1\ &=& x+1.endeqnarray
As a result, we can say that there is some real $c$ such that $$f(x)=frac12x^2+x+ctag2$$ for all real $x.$ Our job, then, is to determine what value(s) of $c$ (if any) will allow $f$ to satisfy $(1)$ for all real $x,y.$
We can see that we need begineqnarrayf(x)+xcdot y+y &overset(1)=& f(x+y)\ &=& frac12(x+y)^2+(x+y)+c\ &=& frac12left(x^2+2xcdot y+y^2right)+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+xcdot y+frac12y^2+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+x+c+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2\ &overset(2)=& f(x)+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2endeqnarray for all real $x,y.$ Unfortunately, this only holds when $y=0,$ so no value of $c$ will work. Thus, $f$ does not exist, nor does $f'$.
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Hint $:$ For all $h neq 0$ observe that $frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x + 1.$ So $$f'(x)=limlimits_h rightarrow 0 frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x+1.$$
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Answer: $f'$ does not exist.
If we put $y=-x$ we get $$f(0) = f(x)-x^2-x,$$ so $$f(x)=x^2+x+a$$ where $a=f(0).$
So plugging this into the starting equation we get $$(x+y)^2+x+y+a = x^2+x+a+xy+y$$
and we get $$y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y,$$
a contradiction. Such a function does not exist, so $f'(x)$ also does not exist.
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$x=0$ also works, giving $f(y)=f(0)+y$ a linear function, another contradictory result...
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– Sil
2 days ago
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@Sil, for the less discerning, why is it contradictory for $f(y)$ to be linear when $x$ is fixed at $0$?
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– Daniel
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@Daniel Because if you substitute $f(x)=x+a$ back to the original equation you get $xy=0$ for all $x,y in mathbbR$, which is absurd (similarly to Maria's $y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y$).
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Answer: $f'$ does not exist.
If we put $y=-x$ we get $$f(0) = f(x)-x^2-x,$$ so $$f(x)=x^2+x+a$$ where $a=f(0).$
So plugging this into the starting equation we get $$(x+y)^2+x+y+a = x^2+x+a+xy+y$$
and we get $$y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y,$$
a contradiction. Such a function does not exist, so $f'(x)$ also does not exist.
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$x=0$ also works, giving $f(y)=f(0)+y$ a linear function, another contradictory result...
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– Sil
2 days ago
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@Sil, for the less discerning, why is it contradictory for $f(y)$ to be linear when $x$ is fixed at $0$?
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@Daniel Because if you substitute $f(x)=x+a$ back to the original equation you get $xy=0$ for all $x,y in mathbbR$, which is absurd (similarly to Maria's $y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y$).
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Answer: $f'$ does not exist.
If we put $y=-x$ we get $$f(0) = f(x)-x^2-x,$$ so $$f(x)=x^2+x+a$$ where $a=f(0).$
So plugging this into the starting equation we get $$(x+y)^2+x+y+a = x^2+x+a+xy+y$$
and we get $$y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y,$$
a contradiction. Such a function does not exist, so $f'(x)$ also does not exist.
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Answer: $f'$ does not exist.
If we put $y=-x$ we get $$f(0) = f(x)-x^2-x,$$ so $$f(x)=x^2+x+a$$ where $a=f(0).$
So plugging this into the starting equation we get $$(x+y)^2+x+y+a = x^2+x+a+xy+y$$
and we get $$y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y,$$
a contradiction. Such a function does not exist, so $f'(x)$ also does not exist.
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$x=0$ also works, giving $f(y)=f(0)+y$ a linear function, another contradictory result...
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– Sil
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@Sil, for the less discerning, why is it contradictory for $f(y)$ to be linear when $x$ is fixed at $0$?
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– Daniel
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@Daniel Because if you substitute $f(x)=x+a$ back to the original equation you get $xy=0$ for all $x,y in mathbbR$, which is absurd (similarly to Maria's $y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y$).
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2 days ago
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$x=0$ also works, giving $f(y)=f(0)+y$ a linear function, another contradictory result...
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– Sil
2 days ago
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@Sil, for the less discerning, why is it contradictory for $f(y)$ to be linear when $x$ is fixed at $0$?
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– Daniel
2 days ago
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@Daniel Because if you substitute $f(x)=x+a$ back to the original equation you get $xy=0$ for all $x,y in mathbbR$, which is absurd (similarly to Maria's $y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y$).
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– Sil
2 days ago
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$x=0$ also works, giving $f(y)=f(0)+y$ a linear function, another contradictory result...
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– Sil
2 days ago
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$x=0$ also works, giving $f(y)=f(0)+y$ a linear function, another contradictory result...
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– Sil
2 days ago
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@Sil, for the less discerning, why is it contradictory for $f(y)$ to be linear when $x$ is fixed at $0$?
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– Daniel
2 days ago
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@Sil, for the less discerning, why is it contradictory for $f(y)$ to be linear when $x$ is fixed at $0$?
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– Daniel
2 days ago
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@Daniel Because if you substitute $f(x)=x+a$ back to the original equation you get $xy=0$ for all $x,y in mathbbR$, which is absurd (similarly to Maria's $y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y$).
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– Sil
2 days ago
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@Daniel Because if you substitute $f(x)=x+a$ back to the original equation you get $xy=0$ for all $x,y in mathbbR$, which is absurd (similarly to Maria's $y(x+y) =0;;;forall x,y$).
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– Sil
2 days ago
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Regarding continuity, we could use the fact that the functional equation $$f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y+ytag1$$ holds for all real $x,y$ to prove that $f$ must be continuous everywhere.
First of all, it should be clear from $(1)$ that $f$ must be defined on the whole real line. Such a function $f$ will be continuous if and only if for all $epsilon>0$ and all $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $$bigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr|<epsilon$$ for all $yin(-delta,delta).$ Since begineqnarraybigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr| &overset(1)=& bigl|f(x)+xcdot y+y-f(x)bigr|\ &=& |xcdot y+y|\ &=& bigl|(x+1)cdot ybigr|\ &=& |x+1|cdot|y|,endeqnarray this means we must show that for all $epsilon>0$ and $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $|x+1|cdot|y|<epsilon$ whenever $|y|<delta.$ Would you be able to take it from there?
However, it would be even more straightforward to prove that $f$ is differentiable everywhere (by explicitly calculating the derivative), since differentiable functions are continuous. begineqnarrayf'(x) &:=& lim_hto 0fracf(x+h)-f(x)h\ &overset(1)=& lim_hto 0fracf(x)+xcdot h+h-f(x)h\ &=& lim_hto 0frac(x+1)cdot hh\ &=& lim_hto 0x+1\ &=& x+1.endeqnarray
As a result, we can say that there is some real $c$ such that $$f(x)=frac12x^2+x+ctag2$$ for all real $x.$ Our job, then, is to determine what value(s) of $c$ (if any) will allow $f$ to satisfy $(1)$ for all real $x,y.$
We can see that we need begineqnarrayf(x)+xcdot y+y &overset(1)=& f(x+y)\ &=& frac12(x+y)^2+(x+y)+c\ &=& frac12left(x^2+2xcdot y+y^2right)+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+xcdot y+frac12y^2+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+x+c+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2\ &overset(2)=& f(x)+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2endeqnarray for all real $x,y.$ Unfortunately, this only holds when $y=0,$ so no value of $c$ will work. Thus, $f$ does not exist, nor does $f'$.
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Regarding continuity, we could use the fact that the functional equation $$f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y+ytag1$$ holds for all real $x,y$ to prove that $f$ must be continuous everywhere.
First of all, it should be clear from $(1)$ that $f$ must be defined on the whole real line. Such a function $f$ will be continuous if and only if for all $epsilon>0$ and all $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $$bigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr|<epsilon$$ for all $yin(-delta,delta).$ Since begineqnarraybigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr| &overset(1)=& bigl|f(x)+xcdot y+y-f(x)bigr|\ &=& |xcdot y+y|\ &=& bigl|(x+1)cdot ybigr|\ &=& |x+1|cdot|y|,endeqnarray this means we must show that for all $epsilon>0$ and $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $|x+1|cdot|y|<epsilon$ whenever $|y|<delta.$ Would you be able to take it from there?
However, it would be even more straightforward to prove that $f$ is differentiable everywhere (by explicitly calculating the derivative), since differentiable functions are continuous. begineqnarrayf'(x) &:=& lim_hto 0fracf(x+h)-f(x)h\ &overset(1)=& lim_hto 0fracf(x)+xcdot h+h-f(x)h\ &=& lim_hto 0frac(x+1)cdot hh\ &=& lim_hto 0x+1\ &=& x+1.endeqnarray
As a result, we can say that there is some real $c$ such that $$f(x)=frac12x^2+x+ctag2$$ for all real $x.$ Our job, then, is to determine what value(s) of $c$ (if any) will allow $f$ to satisfy $(1)$ for all real $x,y.$
We can see that we need begineqnarrayf(x)+xcdot y+y &overset(1)=& f(x+y)\ &=& frac12(x+y)^2+(x+y)+c\ &=& frac12left(x^2+2xcdot y+y^2right)+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+xcdot y+frac12y^2+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+x+c+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2\ &overset(2)=& f(x)+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2endeqnarray for all real $x,y.$ Unfortunately, this only holds when $y=0,$ so no value of $c$ will work. Thus, $f$ does not exist, nor does $f'$.
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Regarding continuity, we could use the fact that the functional equation $$f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y+ytag1$$ holds for all real $x,y$ to prove that $f$ must be continuous everywhere.
First of all, it should be clear from $(1)$ that $f$ must be defined on the whole real line. Such a function $f$ will be continuous if and only if for all $epsilon>0$ and all $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $$bigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr|<epsilon$$ for all $yin(-delta,delta).$ Since begineqnarraybigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr| &overset(1)=& bigl|f(x)+xcdot y+y-f(x)bigr|\ &=& |xcdot y+y|\ &=& bigl|(x+1)cdot ybigr|\ &=& |x+1|cdot|y|,endeqnarray this means we must show that for all $epsilon>0$ and $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $|x+1|cdot|y|<epsilon$ whenever $|y|<delta.$ Would you be able to take it from there?
However, it would be even more straightforward to prove that $f$ is differentiable everywhere (by explicitly calculating the derivative), since differentiable functions are continuous. begineqnarrayf'(x) &:=& lim_hto 0fracf(x+h)-f(x)h\ &overset(1)=& lim_hto 0fracf(x)+xcdot h+h-f(x)h\ &=& lim_hto 0frac(x+1)cdot hh\ &=& lim_hto 0x+1\ &=& x+1.endeqnarray
As a result, we can say that there is some real $c$ such that $$f(x)=frac12x^2+x+ctag2$$ for all real $x.$ Our job, then, is to determine what value(s) of $c$ (if any) will allow $f$ to satisfy $(1)$ for all real $x,y.$
We can see that we need begineqnarrayf(x)+xcdot y+y &overset(1)=& f(x+y)\ &=& frac12(x+y)^2+(x+y)+c\ &=& frac12left(x^2+2xcdot y+y^2right)+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+xcdot y+frac12y^2+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+x+c+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2\ &overset(2)=& f(x)+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2endeqnarray for all real $x,y.$ Unfortunately, this only holds when $y=0,$ so no value of $c$ will work. Thus, $f$ does not exist, nor does $f'$.
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Regarding continuity, we could use the fact that the functional equation $$f(x+y)=f(x)+xcdot y+ytag1$$ holds for all real $x,y$ to prove that $f$ must be continuous everywhere.
First of all, it should be clear from $(1)$ that $f$ must be defined on the whole real line. Such a function $f$ will be continuous if and only if for all $epsilon>0$ and all $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $$bigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr|<epsilon$$ for all $yin(-delta,delta).$ Since begineqnarraybigl|f(x+y)-f(x)bigr| &overset(1)=& bigl|f(x)+xcdot y+y-f(x)bigr|\ &=& |xcdot y+y|\ &=& bigl|(x+1)cdot ybigr|\ &=& |x+1|cdot|y|,endeqnarray this means we must show that for all $epsilon>0$ and $xinBbb R,$ there is some $delta>0$ such that $|x+1|cdot|y|<epsilon$ whenever $|y|<delta.$ Would you be able to take it from there?
However, it would be even more straightforward to prove that $f$ is differentiable everywhere (by explicitly calculating the derivative), since differentiable functions are continuous. begineqnarrayf'(x) &:=& lim_hto 0fracf(x+h)-f(x)h\ &overset(1)=& lim_hto 0fracf(x)+xcdot h+h-f(x)h\ &=& lim_hto 0frac(x+1)cdot hh\ &=& lim_hto 0x+1\ &=& x+1.endeqnarray
As a result, we can say that there is some real $c$ such that $$f(x)=frac12x^2+x+ctag2$$ for all real $x.$ Our job, then, is to determine what value(s) of $c$ (if any) will allow $f$ to satisfy $(1)$ for all real $x,y.$
We can see that we need begineqnarrayf(x)+xcdot y+y &overset(1)=& f(x+y)\ &=& frac12(x+y)^2+(x+y)+c\ &=& frac12left(x^2+2xcdot y+y^2right)+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+xcdot y+frac12y^2+x+y+c\ &=& frac12x^2+x+c+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2\ &overset(2)=& f(x)+xcdot y+y+frac12y^2endeqnarray for all real $x,y.$ Unfortunately, this only holds when $y=0,$ so no value of $c$ will work. Thus, $f$ does not exist, nor does $f'$.
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Hint $:$ For all $h neq 0$ observe that $frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x + 1.$ So $$f'(x)=limlimits_h rightarrow 0 frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x+1.$$
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$begingroup$
Hint $:$ For all $h neq 0$ observe that $frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x + 1.$ So $$f'(x)=limlimits_h rightarrow 0 frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x+1.$$
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$begingroup$
Hint $:$ For all $h neq 0$ observe that $frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x + 1.$ So $$f'(x)=limlimits_h rightarrow 0 frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x+1.$$
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Hint $:$ For all $h neq 0$ observe that $frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x + 1.$ So $$f'(x)=limlimits_h rightarrow 0 frac f(x+h) - f(x) h = x+1.$$
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