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Are tax years 2016 & 2017 back taxes deductible for tax year 2018?



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Member discussion on Closed vs DeletedOverpay state income tax this year to offset federal taxable income to the next year?Federal taxes for nonresident alien whose only income in 2016 was a 2015 state tax returnAre prepaid taxes ONLY applied to that year?What tax year do I claim a fellowship if it is on both the 2017 1098-T and the 2018 1042-S?Was the brouhaha on pre-paying real estate tax in 2017 for 2018 taxes ever resolved, and if so, how?Does IRS charge interest for underpaid taxes?Estate net income NEXT year less than $600. File final tax return for THIS year?Property Tax entry for 2018 Federal Income taxUsing Standard deduction while filing 1040NR for year 2018Received a Federal tax refund/credit from 2016 in 2018. I itemized. Do I report this as income on state taxes 2018?



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If someone, in 2018, pays taxes, including interest and penalties, owed for tax years 2016 and 2017, then can that person claim a deduction for the paid taxes, only the original amount and no the taxes and fees, for their income for fiscal year 2018?



For example, suppose the person has gross income of $100k and owed $20k in both tax years 2016 and 2017, for a total owed taxes of $40k, but does not pay them on time. IRS imposes late penalty & interest fee of $5k until the person pays IRS total owed $45k in 2018. Person has gross income of $100k in 2018. Can the person claim $40k deduction for paying prior year federal taxes in the 2018 1040?



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    If someone, in 2018, pays taxes, including interest and penalties, owed for tax years 2016 and 2017, then can that person claim a deduction for the paid taxes, only the original amount and no the taxes and fees, for their income for fiscal year 2018?



    For example, suppose the person has gross income of $100k and owed $20k in both tax years 2016 and 2017, for a total owed taxes of $40k, but does not pay them on time. IRS imposes late penalty & interest fee of $5k until the person pays IRS total owed $45k in 2018. Person has gross income of $100k in 2018. Can the person claim $40k deduction for paying prior year federal taxes in the 2018 1040?



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      If someone, in 2018, pays taxes, including interest and penalties, owed for tax years 2016 and 2017, then can that person claim a deduction for the paid taxes, only the original amount and no the taxes and fees, for their income for fiscal year 2018?



      For example, suppose the person has gross income of $100k and owed $20k in both tax years 2016 and 2017, for a total owed taxes of $40k, but does not pay them on time. IRS imposes late penalty & interest fee of $5k until the person pays IRS total owed $45k in 2018. Person has gross income of $100k in 2018. Can the person claim $40k deduction for paying prior year federal taxes in the 2018 1040?



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      If someone, in 2018, pays taxes, including interest and penalties, owed for tax years 2016 and 2017, then can that person claim a deduction for the paid taxes, only the original amount and no the taxes and fees, for their income for fiscal year 2018?



      For example, suppose the person has gross income of $100k and owed $20k in both tax years 2016 and 2017, for a total owed taxes of $40k, but does not pay them on time. IRS imposes late penalty & interest fee of $5k until the person pays IRS total owed $45k in 2018. Person has gross income of $100k in 2018. Can the person claim $40k deduction for paying prior year federal taxes in the 2018 1040?



      Any references are appreciated.







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          No! You can't take a tax deducton on tax*. Which is what the $40k is.



          Tax isn't normally tax deductible when you pay it on time. Paying it late doesn't somehow make it more deductible.



          Whether those interest and penalties are deductible is another question, but the same answer.




          * You can often deduct taxes paid to other entities, such as your state or another country.






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            If this was allowed, why would you pay taxes on time? For simplicity suppose that over three years income was 100k each year, and tax 20%. Normally, you would pay 20k each year for a total of 60k.



            Now suppose you don't pay the first two years and pay 45k on the third one, including the penalty. If you were allowed to deduct the 45k, now the tax for the third year would be 20% of 55k, so 11k. The total paid would 45k+11k=56k, so not paying taxes in time would save you money.



            The above effect would be more pronounced if we consider marginal tax.



            No serious government can allow that (I've seen things like that happen in some shady places, but that's precisely one of the reasons they are shady and people evade taxes).






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            It looks like federal back taxes are not deductible on the following year's federal tax return. I guess this makes sense since from gov's point of view they were owed to begin with so no reason to be able to deduct them.






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              No! You can't take a tax deducton on tax*. Which is what the $40k is.



              Tax isn't normally tax deductible when you pay it on time. Paying it late doesn't somehow make it more deductible.



              Whether those interest and penalties are deductible is another question, but the same answer.




              * You can often deduct taxes paid to other entities, such as your state or another country.






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                No! You can't take a tax deducton on tax*. Which is what the $40k is.



                Tax isn't normally tax deductible when you pay it on time. Paying it late doesn't somehow make it more deductible.



                Whether those interest and penalties are deductible is another question, but the same answer.




                * You can often deduct taxes paid to other entities, such as your state or another country.






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                  No! You can't take a tax deducton on tax*. Which is what the $40k is.



                  Tax isn't normally tax deductible when you pay it on time. Paying it late doesn't somehow make it more deductible.



                  Whether those interest and penalties are deductible is another question, but the same answer.




                  * You can often deduct taxes paid to other entities, such as your state or another country.






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                  No! You can't take a tax deducton on tax*. Which is what the $40k is.



                  Tax isn't normally tax deductible when you pay it on time. Paying it late doesn't somehow make it more deductible.



                  Whether those interest and penalties are deductible is another question, but the same answer.




                  * You can often deduct taxes paid to other entities, such as your state or another country.







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                      If this was allowed, why would you pay taxes on time? For simplicity suppose that over three years income was 100k each year, and tax 20%. Normally, you would pay 20k each year for a total of 60k.



                      Now suppose you don't pay the first two years and pay 45k on the third one, including the penalty. If you were allowed to deduct the 45k, now the tax for the third year would be 20% of 55k, so 11k. The total paid would 45k+11k=56k, so not paying taxes in time would save you money.



                      The above effect would be more pronounced if we consider marginal tax.



                      No serious government can allow that (I've seen things like that happen in some shady places, but that's precisely one of the reasons they are shady and people evade taxes).






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                      If this was allowed, why would you pay taxes on time? For simplicity suppose that over three years income was 100k each year, and tax 20%. Normally, you would pay 20k each year for a total of 60k.



                      Now suppose you don't pay the first two years and pay 45k on the third one, including the penalty. If you were allowed to deduct the 45k, now the tax for the third year would be 20% of 55k, so 11k. The total paid would 45k+11k=56k, so not paying taxes in time would save you money.



                      The above effect would be more pronounced if we consider marginal tax.



                      No serious government can allow that (I've seen things like that happen in some shady places, but that's precisely one of the reasons they are shady and people evade taxes).






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                      If this was allowed, why would you pay taxes on time? For simplicity suppose that over three years income was 100k each year, and tax 20%. Normally, you would pay 20k each year for a total of 60k.



                      Now suppose you don't pay the first two years and pay 45k on the third one, including the penalty. If you were allowed to deduct the 45k, now the tax for the third year would be 20% of 55k, so 11k. The total paid would 45k+11k=56k, so not paying taxes in time would save you money.



                      The above effect would be more pronounced if we consider marginal tax.



                      No serious government can allow that (I've seen things like that happen in some shady places, but that's precisely one of the reasons they are shady and people evade taxes).






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                      If this was allowed, why would you pay taxes on time? For simplicity suppose that over three years income was 100k each year, and tax 20%. Normally, you would pay 20k each year for a total of 60k.



                      Now suppose you don't pay the first two years and pay 45k on the third one, including the penalty. If you were allowed to deduct the 45k, now the tax for the third year would be 20% of 55k, so 11k. The total paid would 45k+11k=56k, so not paying taxes in time would save you money.



                      The above effect would be more pronounced if we consider marginal tax.



                      No serious government can allow that (I've seen things like that happen in some shady places, but that's precisely one of the reasons they are shady and people evade taxes).







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                      Indeed. I'll edit that into the answer, if you don't mind.

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                      It looks like federal back taxes are not deductible on the following year's federal tax return. I guess this makes sense since from gov's point of view they were owed to begin with so no reason to be able to deduct them.






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                          It looks like federal back taxes are not deductible on the following year's federal tax return. I guess this makes sense since from gov's point of view they were owed to begin with so no reason to be able to deduct them.







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