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Why linear maps act like matrix multiplication?
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)proof linear maps act like matrix multiplicationlinear transformation of a basis where $T(v_1) = w_1, …, T(v_n) = w_n$Basis in a Linear MapTranspose of the matrix of a linear mapHow to define the matrix of a linear map?Prove that all entries in $M(T, (v_1, … ,v_n), (w_1, … , w_m))$ are zero except for the entries in row j, column jNeed help to understand the uniqueness of linear maps on basis of domain.Linear Maps, Basis of Domain, and MatrixIs the linear map on basis of $V$ a basis of $W$?Prove there exist a basis of $V$ and a basis of $W$ such that all entries of $mathcalM(T)$ are 0 except row j and column j
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In Linear Algebra Done Right, it said
Suppose $T in mathcalL(V,W)$ and $v in V$. Suppose $v_1,...,v_n$ is a basis of $V$ and $w_1,...,w_m$ is a basis of $W$. Then $$M(Tv) = M(T)M(v)$$
$M(T)$ is the m-by-n matrix whose entries $A_j,k$ are defined by $Tv_k = A_1,kw_1 + ... + A_m,kw_m$ suppose $T in mathcalL(V,W)$ and $v_1,...,v_n$ is a basis of $V$ and $w_1,...,w_m$ is a basis of $W$.
$M(v)$ is the matrix of vector $v$.
I generally follow the following proof:
Suppose $v = c_1v_1 + ... + c_nv_n$, where $c_1,...,c_n in mathbbF$. Thus
$$Tv = c_1Tv_1 +...+c_nTv_n$$
Hence
beginequation
beginsplit
M(Tv) &= c_1M(Tv_1) + ...+ c_nM(Tv_n)\
& = c_1M(T)_.,1 +...+c_nM(T)_.,n \
& = M(T)M(v)
endsplit
endequation
But I have questions on the meaning of the proof. The book said it means each m-by-n matrix $A$ induces a linear map from $mathbbF^n,1$ to $mathbbF^m,1$. The result can be used to think of every linear map as a matrix multiplication map after suitable relabeling via the isomorphisms given by $M$.
- Is the shape of $M(Tv)$ m by 1, $M(T)$ m by n, and $M(v)$ n by 1?
- What is meant by suitable relabeling via the isomorphisms given by $M$? Does it just mean $M(T)$ is a isomorphism linear map between $M(v)$ and $M(Tv)$?
matrices linear-transformations
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In Linear Algebra Done Right, it said
Suppose $T in mathcalL(V,W)$ and $v in V$. Suppose $v_1,...,v_n$ is a basis of $V$ and $w_1,...,w_m$ is a basis of $W$. Then $$M(Tv) = M(T)M(v)$$
$M(T)$ is the m-by-n matrix whose entries $A_j,k$ are defined by $Tv_k = A_1,kw_1 + ... + A_m,kw_m$ suppose $T in mathcalL(V,W)$ and $v_1,...,v_n$ is a basis of $V$ and $w_1,...,w_m$ is a basis of $W$.
$M(v)$ is the matrix of vector $v$.
I generally follow the following proof:
Suppose $v = c_1v_1 + ... + c_nv_n$, where $c_1,...,c_n in mathbbF$. Thus
$$Tv = c_1Tv_1 +...+c_nTv_n$$
Hence
beginequation
beginsplit
M(Tv) &= c_1M(Tv_1) + ...+ c_nM(Tv_n)\
& = c_1M(T)_.,1 +...+c_nM(T)_.,n \
& = M(T)M(v)
endsplit
endequation
But I have questions on the meaning of the proof. The book said it means each m-by-n matrix $A$ induces a linear map from $mathbbF^n,1$ to $mathbbF^m,1$. The result can be used to think of every linear map as a matrix multiplication map after suitable relabeling via the isomorphisms given by $M$.
- Is the shape of $M(Tv)$ m by 1, $M(T)$ m by n, and $M(v)$ n by 1?
- What is meant by suitable relabeling via the isomorphisms given by $M$? Does it just mean $M(T)$ is a isomorphism linear map between $M(v)$ and $M(Tv)$?
matrices linear-transformations
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In your blockquote, you haven't told us what $M$ means.
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– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:02
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@GerryMyerson revised
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 7:13
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Sorry, I don't know what it means for $M(v)$ to be the matrix of the vector $v$. What's the matrix of the vector $(1,2,3)$?
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– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:15
1
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@GerryMyerson Knowing Axler, it will be the coordinate vector for the given basis (in this case, $v_1, ldots, v_n$). For example, if the basis is $(0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 1), (1, 1, 1)$ in the space $BbbR^3$, then $M(1, 2, 3) = beginbmatrix 1 \ 1 \ 1 endbmatrix$.
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 7:17
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$begingroup$
In Linear Algebra Done Right, it said
Suppose $T in mathcalL(V,W)$ and $v in V$. Suppose $v_1,...,v_n$ is a basis of $V$ and $w_1,...,w_m$ is a basis of $W$. Then $$M(Tv) = M(T)M(v)$$
$M(T)$ is the m-by-n matrix whose entries $A_j,k$ are defined by $Tv_k = A_1,kw_1 + ... + A_m,kw_m$ suppose $T in mathcalL(V,W)$ and $v_1,...,v_n$ is a basis of $V$ and $w_1,...,w_m$ is a basis of $W$.
$M(v)$ is the matrix of vector $v$.
I generally follow the following proof:
Suppose $v = c_1v_1 + ... + c_nv_n$, where $c_1,...,c_n in mathbbF$. Thus
$$Tv = c_1Tv_1 +...+c_nTv_n$$
Hence
beginequation
beginsplit
M(Tv) &= c_1M(Tv_1) + ...+ c_nM(Tv_n)\
& = c_1M(T)_.,1 +...+c_nM(T)_.,n \
& = M(T)M(v)
endsplit
endequation
But I have questions on the meaning of the proof. The book said it means each m-by-n matrix $A$ induces a linear map from $mathbbF^n,1$ to $mathbbF^m,1$. The result can be used to think of every linear map as a matrix multiplication map after suitable relabeling via the isomorphisms given by $M$.
- Is the shape of $M(Tv)$ m by 1, $M(T)$ m by n, and $M(v)$ n by 1?
- What is meant by suitable relabeling via the isomorphisms given by $M$? Does it just mean $M(T)$ is a isomorphism linear map between $M(v)$ and $M(Tv)$?
matrices linear-transformations
$endgroup$
In Linear Algebra Done Right, it said
Suppose $T in mathcalL(V,W)$ and $v in V$. Suppose $v_1,...,v_n$ is a basis of $V$ and $w_1,...,w_m$ is a basis of $W$. Then $$M(Tv) = M(T)M(v)$$
$M(T)$ is the m-by-n matrix whose entries $A_j,k$ are defined by $Tv_k = A_1,kw_1 + ... + A_m,kw_m$ suppose $T in mathcalL(V,W)$ and $v_1,...,v_n$ is a basis of $V$ and $w_1,...,w_m$ is a basis of $W$.
$M(v)$ is the matrix of vector $v$.
I generally follow the following proof:
Suppose $v = c_1v_1 + ... + c_nv_n$, where $c_1,...,c_n in mathbbF$. Thus
$$Tv = c_1Tv_1 +...+c_nTv_n$$
Hence
beginequation
beginsplit
M(Tv) &= c_1M(Tv_1) + ...+ c_nM(Tv_n)\
& = c_1M(T)_.,1 +...+c_nM(T)_.,n \
& = M(T)M(v)
endsplit
endequation
But I have questions on the meaning of the proof. The book said it means each m-by-n matrix $A$ induces a linear map from $mathbbF^n,1$ to $mathbbF^m,1$. The result can be used to think of every linear map as a matrix multiplication map after suitable relabeling via the isomorphisms given by $M$.
- Is the shape of $M(Tv)$ m by 1, $M(T)$ m by n, and $M(v)$ n by 1?
- What is meant by suitable relabeling via the isomorphisms given by $M$? Does it just mean $M(T)$ is a isomorphism linear map between $M(v)$ and $M(Tv)$?
matrices linear-transformations
matrices linear-transformations
edited Apr 7 at 7:12
JOHN
asked Apr 7 at 7:00
JOHN JOHN
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In your blockquote, you haven't told us what $M$ means.
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– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:02
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@GerryMyerson revised
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 7:13
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Sorry, I don't know what it means for $M(v)$ to be the matrix of the vector $v$. What's the matrix of the vector $(1,2,3)$?
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– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:15
1
$begingroup$
@GerryMyerson Knowing Axler, it will be the coordinate vector for the given basis (in this case, $v_1, ldots, v_n$). For example, if the basis is $(0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 1), (1, 1, 1)$ in the space $BbbR^3$, then $M(1, 2, 3) = beginbmatrix 1 \ 1 \ 1 endbmatrix$.
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 7:17
add a comment |
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In your blockquote, you haven't told us what $M$ means.
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– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:02
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@GerryMyerson revised
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 7:13
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Sorry, I don't know what it means for $M(v)$ to be the matrix of the vector $v$. What's the matrix of the vector $(1,2,3)$?
$endgroup$
– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:15
1
$begingroup$
@GerryMyerson Knowing Axler, it will be the coordinate vector for the given basis (in this case, $v_1, ldots, v_n$). For example, if the basis is $(0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 1), (1, 1, 1)$ in the space $BbbR^3$, then $M(1, 2, 3) = beginbmatrix 1 \ 1 \ 1 endbmatrix$.
$endgroup$
– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 7:17
$begingroup$
In your blockquote, you haven't told us what $M$ means.
$endgroup$
– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:02
$begingroup$
In your blockquote, you haven't told us what $M$ means.
$endgroup$
– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:02
$begingroup$
@GerryMyerson revised
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 7:13
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@GerryMyerson revised
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 7:13
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Sorry, I don't know what it means for $M(v)$ to be the matrix of the vector $v$. What's the matrix of the vector $(1,2,3)$?
$endgroup$
– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:15
$begingroup$
Sorry, I don't know what it means for $M(v)$ to be the matrix of the vector $v$. What's the matrix of the vector $(1,2,3)$?
$endgroup$
– Gerry Myerson
Apr 7 at 7:15
1
1
$begingroup$
@GerryMyerson Knowing Axler, it will be the coordinate vector for the given basis (in this case, $v_1, ldots, v_n$). For example, if the basis is $(0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 1), (1, 1, 1)$ in the space $BbbR^3$, then $M(1, 2, 3) = beginbmatrix 1 \ 1 \ 1 endbmatrix$.
$endgroup$
– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 7:17
$begingroup$
@GerryMyerson Knowing Axler, it will be the coordinate vector for the given basis (in this case, $v_1, ldots, v_n$). For example, if the basis is $(0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 1), (1, 1, 1)$ in the space $BbbR^3$, then $M(1, 2, 3) = beginbmatrix 1 \ 1 \ 1 endbmatrix$.
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 7:17
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In answer to your first question, yes to all three: $v$ is an element of the $n$-dimensional space $V$, so the coordinate vector with respect to the basis will be an $n times 1$ column vector. Similarly, $Tv in W$, which is an $n$-dimensional space, so $M(Tv)$ will be an $m times 1$ column vector. Finally, $M(T)$ is built from transforming the $n$ basis vectors of the domain, forming each an $m times 1$ coordinate column vector, which are put into an $m times n$ matrix.
In answer to your second question, consult the following commutative diagram (made in Paint :( ):
The process of applying $T$ to a vector $v in V$ is the top row of the diagram. However, there's a parallel process happening between $BbbF^n$ and $BbbF^m$, mirroring the same process.
The isomorphism being referred to are the double arrows, taking us between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ and $W$ and $BbbF^m$, by way of coordinate vectors. The coordinate vector map on $V$ is a linear map between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ that is invertible, making it an isomorphism (and similarly for $W$). That is, the two spaces are structurally identical, and anything we can do with one space, we can view it in the other.
In $V$, we have some abstract vectors, and an abstract linear transformation $T$ that maps vectors in $V$ to vectors in $W$. However, using this isomorphism, we can view $V$ slightly differently as $BbbF^n$, and similarly for $W$, which means $T$ boils down to a linear map from $BbbF^n$ to $BbbF^m$, which can be characterised as matrix multiplication. The matrix, in particular, is $M(T)$.
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Very nice graph!
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 9:35
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Upvote for the commutative paint diagram!
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– Jannik Pitt
Apr 7 at 13:27
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it seems that T and M(T) is also isomorphic ?
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 22:32
1
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Isomorphisms are maps between vector spaces; only vector spaces can be isomorphic (at least, until you study category theory). The map $M$ (given fixed bases) is itself an isomorphism between the space of linear maps from $V$ to $W$ and the $m times n$ matrices, but even then, it's not really correct to say that a map $T$ is "isomorphic" to a matrix $M(T)$. It would be more accurate (though not conventional) to describe the map $T$ as "similar" to the matrix $M(T)$, in a similar sense to similar matrices (bear in mind, $T$ is not a matrix).
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:02
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@JOHN Simply put, vectors cannot be isomorphic. Maps cannot be isomorphic. Only spaces can be isomorphic.
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:06
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Yes, those would be the shapes of those vectors when represented as matrices. Given that we're multiply by vectors on the right.
There is a theorem that if $V$ is an $n-$dimensional vector space over a field $F,$ then $V$ is isomorphic to $F^n.$ Here the isomorphic mappings assign coordinates to our vectors and our linear transformation. It doesn't mean that $M$ is an isomorphism between $M(v)$ and $M(Tv).$ These are particular vectors. The map $M$ actually induces an isomorphism from $Vto F^n$, isomorphism from $Tto F^ntimes m$, and an isomorphism from $Wto F^m.$
I actually like the way that this is done. The Author is telling you that you're representation of $T$ by a matrix depends on your choice of basis in $F^n$. A fact that is important to remember.
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In answer to your first question, yes to all three: $v$ is an element of the $n$-dimensional space $V$, so the coordinate vector with respect to the basis will be an $n times 1$ column vector. Similarly, $Tv in W$, which is an $n$-dimensional space, so $M(Tv)$ will be an $m times 1$ column vector. Finally, $M(T)$ is built from transforming the $n$ basis vectors of the domain, forming each an $m times 1$ coordinate column vector, which are put into an $m times n$ matrix.
In answer to your second question, consult the following commutative diagram (made in Paint :( ):
The process of applying $T$ to a vector $v in V$ is the top row of the diagram. However, there's a parallel process happening between $BbbF^n$ and $BbbF^m$, mirroring the same process.
The isomorphism being referred to are the double arrows, taking us between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ and $W$ and $BbbF^m$, by way of coordinate vectors. The coordinate vector map on $V$ is a linear map between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ that is invertible, making it an isomorphism (and similarly for $W$). That is, the two spaces are structurally identical, and anything we can do with one space, we can view it in the other.
In $V$, we have some abstract vectors, and an abstract linear transformation $T$ that maps vectors in $V$ to vectors in $W$. However, using this isomorphism, we can view $V$ slightly differently as $BbbF^n$, and similarly for $W$, which means $T$ boils down to a linear map from $BbbF^n$ to $BbbF^m$, which can be characterised as matrix multiplication. The matrix, in particular, is $M(T)$.
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Very nice graph!
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 9:35
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Upvote for the commutative paint diagram!
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– Jannik Pitt
Apr 7 at 13:27
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it seems that T and M(T) is also isomorphic ?
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 22:32
1
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Isomorphisms are maps between vector spaces; only vector spaces can be isomorphic (at least, until you study category theory). The map $M$ (given fixed bases) is itself an isomorphism between the space of linear maps from $V$ to $W$ and the $m times n$ matrices, but even then, it's not really correct to say that a map $T$ is "isomorphic" to a matrix $M(T)$. It would be more accurate (though not conventional) to describe the map $T$ as "similar" to the matrix $M(T)$, in a similar sense to similar matrices (bear in mind, $T$ is not a matrix).
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:02
1
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@JOHN Simply put, vectors cannot be isomorphic. Maps cannot be isomorphic. Only spaces can be isomorphic.
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:06
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In answer to your first question, yes to all three: $v$ is an element of the $n$-dimensional space $V$, so the coordinate vector with respect to the basis will be an $n times 1$ column vector. Similarly, $Tv in W$, which is an $n$-dimensional space, so $M(Tv)$ will be an $m times 1$ column vector. Finally, $M(T)$ is built from transforming the $n$ basis vectors of the domain, forming each an $m times 1$ coordinate column vector, which are put into an $m times n$ matrix.
In answer to your second question, consult the following commutative diagram (made in Paint :( ):
The process of applying $T$ to a vector $v in V$ is the top row of the diagram. However, there's a parallel process happening between $BbbF^n$ and $BbbF^m$, mirroring the same process.
The isomorphism being referred to are the double arrows, taking us between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ and $W$ and $BbbF^m$, by way of coordinate vectors. The coordinate vector map on $V$ is a linear map between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ that is invertible, making it an isomorphism (and similarly for $W$). That is, the two spaces are structurally identical, and anything we can do with one space, we can view it in the other.
In $V$, we have some abstract vectors, and an abstract linear transformation $T$ that maps vectors in $V$ to vectors in $W$. However, using this isomorphism, we can view $V$ slightly differently as $BbbF^n$, and similarly for $W$, which means $T$ boils down to a linear map from $BbbF^n$ to $BbbF^m$, which can be characterised as matrix multiplication. The matrix, in particular, is $M(T)$.
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Very nice graph!
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 9:35
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Upvote for the commutative paint diagram!
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– Jannik Pitt
Apr 7 at 13:27
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it seems that T and M(T) is also isomorphic ?
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 22:32
1
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Isomorphisms are maps between vector spaces; only vector spaces can be isomorphic (at least, until you study category theory). The map $M$ (given fixed bases) is itself an isomorphism between the space of linear maps from $V$ to $W$ and the $m times n$ matrices, but even then, it's not really correct to say that a map $T$ is "isomorphic" to a matrix $M(T)$. It would be more accurate (though not conventional) to describe the map $T$ as "similar" to the matrix $M(T)$, in a similar sense to similar matrices (bear in mind, $T$ is not a matrix).
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:02
1
$begingroup$
@JOHN Simply put, vectors cannot be isomorphic. Maps cannot be isomorphic. Only spaces can be isomorphic.
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:06
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In answer to your first question, yes to all three: $v$ is an element of the $n$-dimensional space $V$, so the coordinate vector with respect to the basis will be an $n times 1$ column vector. Similarly, $Tv in W$, which is an $n$-dimensional space, so $M(Tv)$ will be an $m times 1$ column vector. Finally, $M(T)$ is built from transforming the $n$ basis vectors of the domain, forming each an $m times 1$ coordinate column vector, which are put into an $m times n$ matrix.
In answer to your second question, consult the following commutative diagram (made in Paint :( ):
The process of applying $T$ to a vector $v in V$ is the top row of the diagram. However, there's a parallel process happening between $BbbF^n$ and $BbbF^m$, mirroring the same process.
The isomorphism being referred to are the double arrows, taking us between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ and $W$ and $BbbF^m$, by way of coordinate vectors. The coordinate vector map on $V$ is a linear map between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ that is invertible, making it an isomorphism (and similarly for $W$). That is, the two spaces are structurally identical, and anything we can do with one space, we can view it in the other.
In $V$, we have some abstract vectors, and an abstract linear transformation $T$ that maps vectors in $V$ to vectors in $W$. However, using this isomorphism, we can view $V$ slightly differently as $BbbF^n$, and similarly for $W$, which means $T$ boils down to a linear map from $BbbF^n$ to $BbbF^m$, which can be characterised as matrix multiplication. The matrix, in particular, is $M(T)$.
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In answer to your first question, yes to all three: $v$ is an element of the $n$-dimensional space $V$, so the coordinate vector with respect to the basis will be an $n times 1$ column vector. Similarly, $Tv in W$, which is an $n$-dimensional space, so $M(Tv)$ will be an $m times 1$ column vector. Finally, $M(T)$ is built from transforming the $n$ basis vectors of the domain, forming each an $m times 1$ coordinate column vector, which are put into an $m times n$ matrix.
In answer to your second question, consult the following commutative diagram (made in Paint :( ):
The process of applying $T$ to a vector $v in V$ is the top row of the diagram. However, there's a parallel process happening between $BbbF^n$ and $BbbF^m$, mirroring the same process.
The isomorphism being referred to are the double arrows, taking us between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ and $W$ and $BbbF^m$, by way of coordinate vectors. The coordinate vector map on $V$ is a linear map between $V$ and $BbbF^n$ that is invertible, making it an isomorphism (and similarly for $W$). That is, the two spaces are structurally identical, and anything we can do with one space, we can view it in the other.
In $V$, we have some abstract vectors, and an abstract linear transformation $T$ that maps vectors in $V$ to vectors in $W$. However, using this isomorphism, we can view $V$ slightly differently as $BbbF^n$, and similarly for $W$, which means $T$ boils down to a linear map from $BbbF^n$ to $BbbF^m$, which can be characterised as matrix multiplication. The matrix, in particular, is $M(T)$.
answered Apr 7 at 7:45
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Very nice graph!
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– JOHN
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Upvote for the commutative paint diagram!
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– Jannik Pitt
Apr 7 at 13:27
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it seems that T and M(T) is also isomorphic ?
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 22:32
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Isomorphisms are maps between vector spaces; only vector spaces can be isomorphic (at least, until you study category theory). The map $M$ (given fixed bases) is itself an isomorphism between the space of linear maps from $V$ to $W$ and the $m times n$ matrices, but even then, it's not really correct to say that a map $T$ is "isomorphic" to a matrix $M(T)$. It would be more accurate (though not conventional) to describe the map $T$ as "similar" to the matrix $M(T)$, in a similar sense to similar matrices (bear in mind, $T$ is not a matrix).
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– Theo Bendit
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@JOHN Simply put, vectors cannot be isomorphic. Maps cannot be isomorphic. Only spaces can be isomorphic.
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– Theo Bendit
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Very nice graph!
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 9:35
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Upvote for the commutative paint diagram!
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– Jannik Pitt
Apr 7 at 13:27
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it seems that T and M(T) is also isomorphic ?
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 22:32
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Isomorphisms are maps between vector spaces; only vector spaces can be isomorphic (at least, until you study category theory). The map $M$ (given fixed bases) is itself an isomorphism between the space of linear maps from $V$ to $W$ and the $m times n$ matrices, but even then, it's not really correct to say that a map $T$ is "isomorphic" to a matrix $M(T)$. It would be more accurate (though not conventional) to describe the map $T$ as "similar" to the matrix $M(T)$, in a similar sense to similar matrices (bear in mind, $T$ is not a matrix).
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:02
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@JOHN Simply put, vectors cannot be isomorphic. Maps cannot be isomorphic. Only spaces can be isomorphic.
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:06
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Very nice graph!
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 9:35
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Very nice graph!
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 9:35
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4
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Upvote for the commutative paint diagram!
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– Jannik Pitt
Apr 7 at 13:27
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Upvote for the commutative paint diagram!
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– Jannik Pitt
Apr 7 at 13:27
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it seems that T and M(T) is also isomorphic ?
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 22:32
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it seems that T and M(T) is also isomorphic ?
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– JOHN
Apr 7 at 22:32
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1
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Isomorphisms are maps between vector spaces; only vector spaces can be isomorphic (at least, until you study category theory). The map $M$ (given fixed bases) is itself an isomorphism between the space of linear maps from $V$ to $W$ and the $m times n$ matrices, but even then, it's not really correct to say that a map $T$ is "isomorphic" to a matrix $M(T)$. It would be more accurate (though not conventional) to describe the map $T$ as "similar" to the matrix $M(T)$, in a similar sense to similar matrices (bear in mind, $T$ is not a matrix).
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:02
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Isomorphisms are maps between vector spaces; only vector spaces can be isomorphic (at least, until you study category theory). The map $M$ (given fixed bases) is itself an isomorphism between the space of linear maps from $V$ to $W$ and the $m times n$ matrices, but even then, it's not really correct to say that a map $T$ is "isomorphic" to a matrix $M(T)$. It would be more accurate (though not conventional) to describe the map $T$ as "similar" to the matrix $M(T)$, in a similar sense to similar matrices (bear in mind, $T$ is not a matrix).
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:02
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@JOHN Simply put, vectors cannot be isomorphic. Maps cannot be isomorphic. Only spaces can be isomorphic.
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:06
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@JOHN Simply put, vectors cannot be isomorphic. Maps cannot be isomorphic. Only spaces can be isomorphic.
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– Theo Bendit
Apr 7 at 23:06
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Yes, those would be the shapes of those vectors when represented as matrices. Given that we're multiply by vectors on the right.
There is a theorem that if $V$ is an $n-$dimensional vector space over a field $F,$ then $V$ is isomorphic to $F^n.$ Here the isomorphic mappings assign coordinates to our vectors and our linear transformation. It doesn't mean that $M$ is an isomorphism between $M(v)$ and $M(Tv).$ These are particular vectors. The map $M$ actually induces an isomorphism from $Vto F^n$, isomorphism from $Tto F^ntimes m$, and an isomorphism from $Wto F^m.$
I actually like the way that this is done. The Author is telling you that you're representation of $T$ by a matrix depends on your choice of basis in $F^n$. A fact that is important to remember.
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Yes, those would be the shapes of those vectors when represented as matrices. Given that we're multiply by vectors on the right.
There is a theorem that if $V$ is an $n-$dimensional vector space over a field $F,$ then $V$ is isomorphic to $F^n.$ Here the isomorphic mappings assign coordinates to our vectors and our linear transformation. It doesn't mean that $M$ is an isomorphism between $M(v)$ and $M(Tv).$ These are particular vectors. The map $M$ actually induces an isomorphism from $Vto F^n$, isomorphism from $Tto F^ntimes m$, and an isomorphism from $Wto F^m.$
I actually like the way that this is done. The Author is telling you that you're representation of $T$ by a matrix depends on your choice of basis in $F^n$. A fact that is important to remember.
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Yes, those would be the shapes of those vectors when represented as matrices. Given that we're multiply by vectors on the right.
There is a theorem that if $V$ is an $n-$dimensional vector space over a field $F,$ then $V$ is isomorphic to $F^n.$ Here the isomorphic mappings assign coordinates to our vectors and our linear transformation. It doesn't mean that $M$ is an isomorphism between $M(v)$ and $M(Tv).$ These are particular vectors. The map $M$ actually induces an isomorphism from $Vto F^n$, isomorphism from $Tto F^ntimes m$, and an isomorphism from $Wto F^m.$
I actually like the way that this is done. The Author is telling you that you're representation of $T$ by a matrix depends on your choice of basis in $F^n$. A fact that is important to remember.
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Yes, those would be the shapes of those vectors when represented as matrices. Given that we're multiply by vectors on the right.
There is a theorem that if $V$ is an $n-$dimensional vector space over a field $F,$ then $V$ is isomorphic to $F^n.$ Here the isomorphic mappings assign coordinates to our vectors and our linear transformation. It doesn't mean that $M$ is an isomorphism between $M(v)$ and $M(Tv).$ These are particular vectors. The map $M$ actually induces an isomorphism from $Vto F^n$, isomorphism from $Tto F^ntimes m$, and an isomorphism from $Wto F^m.$
I actually like the way that this is done. The Author is telling you that you're representation of $T$ by a matrix depends on your choice of basis in $F^n$. A fact that is important to remember.
answered Apr 7 at 7:33
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In your blockquote, you haven't told us what $M$ means.
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– Gerry Myerson
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@GerryMyerson revised
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– JOHN
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Sorry, I don't know what it means for $M(v)$ to be the matrix of the vector $v$. What's the matrix of the vector $(1,2,3)$?
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– Gerry Myerson
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@GerryMyerson Knowing Axler, it will be the coordinate vector for the given basis (in this case, $v_1, ldots, v_n$). For example, if the basis is $(0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 1), (1, 1, 1)$ in the space $BbbR^3$, then $M(1, 2, 3) = beginbmatrix 1 \ 1 \ 1 endbmatrix$.
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