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Proving that $g(x)$ defined as $x^2$ on the rationals and $x^4$ on irrationals, is discontinuous at $2$
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Continuity of a function questionProve continuity on a function at every irrational point and discontinuity at every rational point.Is the following function continuous at $x = 0$?Proofs regarding Continuous functions 2Proving continuity at each irrational on the Modified Dirichlet functionEstablishing the existence of a strictly increasing real function, discontinuous at all rationals and continuous at all irrationalsShow that the function $f$ is continuous only at the irrational pointsContinuity of function varying rationals and irrationalsProve that the function $ f : Bbb R to Bbb R$ is continuous at $ x = 0$ and discontinuous at every $x ne 0$.Increasing function on R that is discontinuous on the rationals
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Define $g: mathbbR to mathbbR$ by $$g(x) =begincases x^2 & textif x text is rational, \\ x^4 & textif x text is irrational. endcases$$ Prove that $g$ is discontinuous at $x = 2$.
Solution Attempt:
Assume instead that $g$ is continuous at 2. Then since $g(2)= 4$, $;;displaystyle lim_xto2g(x)=4$;
so taking $epsilon=1$, there is a $delta>0$ such that if $0<|x-2|<delta$, then $big|g(x)-4big|<1$.
Therefore if $x$ is irrational and $2-delta<x<2$, then
$big|x^4-4big|<1$
$-1 <x^4-4<1implies 3<x^4<5implies x^4>3 implies x = 3^frac14 implies x < 2$ Contradiction
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Define $g: mathbbR to mathbbR$ by $$g(x) =begincases x^2 & textif x text is rational, \\ x^4 & textif x text is irrational. endcases$$ Prove that $g$ is discontinuous at $x = 2$.
Solution Attempt:
Assume instead that $g$ is continuous at 2. Then since $g(2)= 4$, $;;displaystyle lim_xto2g(x)=4$;
so taking $epsilon=1$, there is a $delta>0$ such that if $0<|x-2|<delta$, then $big|g(x)-4big|<1$.
Therefore if $x$ is irrational and $2-delta<x<2$, then
$big|x^4-4big|<1$
$-1 <x^4-4<1implies 3<x^4<5implies x^4>3 implies x = 3^frac14 implies x < 2$ Contradiction
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Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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$x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^1/4<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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Define $g: mathbbR to mathbbR$ by $$g(x) =begincases x^2 & textif x text is rational, \\ x^4 & textif x text is irrational. endcases$$ Prove that $g$ is discontinuous at $x = 2$.
Solution Attempt:
Assume instead that $g$ is continuous at 2. Then since $g(2)= 4$, $;;displaystyle lim_xto2g(x)=4$;
so taking $epsilon=1$, there is a $delta>0$ such that if $0<|x-2|<delta$, then $big|g(x)-4big|<1$.
Therefore if $x$ is irrational and $2-delta<x<2$, then
$big|x^4-4big|<1$
$-1 <x^4-4<1implies 3<x^4<5implies x^4>3 implies x = 3^frac14 implies x < 2$ Contradiction
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Define $g: mathbbR to mathbbR$ by $$g(x) =begincases x^2 & textif x text is rational, \\ x^4 & textif x text is irrational. endcases$$ Prove that $g$ is discontinuous at $x = 2$.
Solution Attempt:
Assume instead that $g$ is continuous at 2. Then since $g(2)= 4$, $;;displaystyle lim_xto2g(x)=4$;
so taking $epsilon=1$, there is a $delta>0$ such that if $0<|x-2|<delta$, then $big|g(x)-4big|<1$.
Therefore if $x$ is irrational and $2-delta<x<2$, then
$big|x^4-4big|<1$
$-1 <x^4-4<1implies 3<x^4<5implies x^4>3 implies x = 3^frac14 implies x < 2$ Contradiction
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Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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– Julian Mejia
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$x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^1/4<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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Apr 7 at 6:07
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Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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– Julian Mejia
Apr 7 at 6:03
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$x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^1/4<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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– Julian Mejia
Apr 7 at 6:07
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Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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– Julian Mejia
Apr 7 at 6:03
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Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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– Julian Mejia
Apr 7 at 6:03
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$x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^1/4<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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– Julian Mejia
Apr 7 at 6:07
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$x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^1/4<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
$$-sqrt[4]5 < x < sqrt[4]5.$$
If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
$$2 - mindelta, 2 - sqrt[4]5 < x < 2,$$
then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]5) = sqrt[4]5$, a contradiction.
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I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_ntoinftyg(b_n)=2^4$.
Then we can say $lim_xto2^+g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.
Put $a_n = 2 + frac1n$ and $b_n=2+fracpin$.
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Sequential definition of continuity .
$x_n=2(4n)^(1/(4n)).$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyx_n=2.$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyg(x_n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty 2^4(4n)^(1/n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty2^4 cdot 4^(1/n) cdot n^(1/n)=$
$=2^4 not =g(2)$.
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You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take
$$lefta_n:=2pifrac npi n+1right_ninBbb N$$
Observe the above sequence is irrational:
$$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,textso;;lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=lim_ntoinfty16pi^4fracn^4(npi+1)^4=16pi^4frac1pi^4=16$$
yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...
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Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
$$-sqrt[4]5 < x < sqrt[4]5.$$
If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
$$2 - mindelta, 2 - sqrt[4]5 < x < 2,$$
then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]5) = sqrt[4]5$, a contradiction.
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Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
$$-sqrt[4]5 < x < sqrt[4]5.$$
If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
$$2 - mindelta, 2 - sqrt[4]5 < x < 2,$$
then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]5) = sqrt[4]5$, a contradiction.
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Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
$$-sqrt[4]5 < x < sqrt[4]5.$$
If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
$$2 - mindelta, 2 - sqrt[4]5 < x < 2,$$
then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]5) = sqrt[4]5$, a contradiction.
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Rather than $x^4 > 3$, instead conclude that $x^4 < 5$, or equivalently,
$$-sqrt[4]5 < x < sqrt[4]5.$$
If you had chosen instead an irrational $x$ such that
$$2 - mindelta, 2 - sqrt[4]5 < x < 2,$$
then you'd have $x > 2 - (2 - sqrt[4]5) = sqrt[4]5$, a contradiction.
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I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_ntoinftyg(b_n)=2^4$.
Then we can say $lim_xto2^+g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.
Put $a_n = 2 + frac1n$ and $b_n=2+fracpin$.
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I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_ntoinftyg(b_n)=2^4$.
Then we can say $lim_xto2^+g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.
Put $a_n = 2 + frac1n$ and $b_n=2+fracpin$.
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I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_ntoinftyg(b_n)=2^4$.
Then we can say $lim_xto2^+g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.
Put $a_n = 2 + frac1n$ and $b_n=2+fracpin$.
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I think a simpe way is to construct two sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, where $a_n$ are rational and $b_n$ are irrational, such that $lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=2^2$ and $lim_ntoinftyg(b_n)=2^4$.
Then we can say $lim_xto2^+g(x)$ does not exist. Hence $g$ is discontinuous at $x=2$.
Put $a_n = 2 + frac1n$ and $b_n=2+fracpin$.
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Sequential definition of continuity .
$x_n=2(4n)^(1/(4n)).$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyx_n=2.$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyg(x_n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty 2^4(4n)^(1/n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty2^4 cdot 4^(1/n) cdot n^(1/n)=$
$=2^4 not =g(2)$.
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Sequential definition of continuity .
$x_n=2(4n)^(1/(4n)).$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyx_n=2.$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyg(x_n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty 2^4(4n)^(1/n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty2^4 cdot 4^(1/n) cdot n^(1/n)=$
$=2^4 not =g(2)$.
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Sequential definition of continuity .
$x_n=2(4n)^(1/(4n)).$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyx_n=2.$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyg(x_n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty 2^4(4n)^(1/n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty2^4 cdot 4^(1/n) cdot n^(1/n)=$
$=2^4 not =g(2)$.
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An option?
Sequential definition of continuity .
$x_n=2(4n)^(1/(4n)).$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyx_n=2.$
$lim_n rightarrow inftyg(x_n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty 2^4(4n)^(1/n)=$
$lim_n rightarrow infty2^4 cdot 4^(1/n) cdot n^(1/n)=$
$=2^4 not =g(2)$.
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You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take
$$lefta_n:=2pifrac npi n+1right_ninBbb N$$
Observe the above sequence is irrational:
$$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,textso;;lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=lim_ntoinfty16pi^4fracn^4(npi+1)^4=16pi^4frac1pi^4=16$$
yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...
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You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take
$$lefta_n:=2pifrac npi n+1right_ninBbb N$$
Observe the above sequence is irrational:
$$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,textso;;lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=lim_ntoinfty16pi^4fracn^4(npi+1)^4=16pi^4frac1pi^4=16$$
yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...
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You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take
$$lefta_n:=2pifrac npi n+1right_ninBbb N$$
Observe the above sequence is irrational:
$$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,textso;;lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=lim_ntoinfty16pi^4fracn^4(npi+1)^4=16pi^4frac1pi^4=16$$
yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...
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You haven't reached a contradiction, as commented...but the general idea is correct. Try this, instead: take
$$lefta_n:=2pifrac npi n+1right_ninBbb N$$
Observe the above sequence is irrational:
$$a_nnotinBbb Qimplies g(a_n)=a_n^4,,,,textso;;lim_ntoinftyg(a_n)=lim_ntoinfty16pi^4fracn^4(npi+1)^4=16pi^4frac1pi^4=16$$
yet $;g(2)=2^2=4;$ , so the function is not continuous at $;2;$ ...
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Instead of delta-epsilon definition. See the definition using limit of sequences. Note that if you approximate 2 by a sequence of rational numbers you get g(x) approaches 2^2=4. But if you approximate 2 by a sequence of irrational numbers then g(x) approaches 2^4=16. Since the limits of g(x) w.r.t. these sequences don't match then g is discontinuous at 2. (In fact same argument proves that g is discontinuous everywhere, except at 0)
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$x<2$ is not a contradiction. What you should note is that you can choose $delta$ arbitrarily small, so choose $delta$ such that $3^1/4<2-delta$. Then you get a contradiction.
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