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Notice two things in the table.



  • For a given value of $nu$, an increase of the $t$-value corresponds to a decrease of the $alpha$-level (or p-value). That means high $t$-values are rarer when the null-hypothesis is true (if you observe a high $t$-value then this is 'special').


  • For a given $alpha$-level the t-values to obtain this level are lower when $nu$ increases.


(sidenote: the table is for positive t-values, but the same can be done for negative t-values)



Intuitively: you find the t-value by dividing the mean by the estimate of the variance. This estimate of the variance is a variable whose variance depends on the size of the sample. Every time you perform an experiment it will be different, and the smaller the sample the larger this difference.



So a smaller sample size will cause the $t$-score to differ to a larger extent from experiment to experiment. When your sample is smaller, then the variance in the $t$-score will be larger and therefore larger $t$-score values will be less 'special'.



You should look at the row for $nu = 29$



 alpha 

0.40 0.25 0.10 0.05

nu 29 0.256 0.683 1.311 1.6999


You are not gonna find the value exactly but, what kind of $alpha$ or $p$ does the t-value $0.745$ correspond to? Between which two $p$ values should it be?



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    I put your summarized data into Minitab's 'one-sample t` procedure.
    Here are results.



    One-Sample T 

    Test of μ = 98.2 vs ≠ 98.2

    N Mean StDev SE Mean 95% CI T P
    30 98.285 0.625 0.114 (98.052, 98.518) 0.74 0.462


    Here $T = frac98.285 - 98.20.625/sqrt30 = 0.7449027,$ which
    Minitab rounds to 0.74.



    If $T sim mathsfT(29)$ then one can use software to find that
    $P(T < .7449) approx 0.2312.$ For a two-sided t test the P-value
    is $P(|T| > .7449) approx 2(0.2312) approx 0.4624,$ which Minitab
    rounds to 0.46.



    P-values are 'creatures' of the computer age. Computations beyond elementary-school arithmetic are required to find exact P-values. Once you know that the
    P-value of a test is $0.46 > .05,$ you know you can't reject $H_0$
    at the 5% level (or the 10% level or at any other reasonable level).



    As @MartijnWeterings (+1) has shown, you can use a sufficiently detailed
    t table (row for 29 DF) to see that $0.256 < T < 0.683$ implies
    $0.80 > textP-value > 0.50$ for 2-sided P-values. But you usually won't be able to find
    exact P-values from printed tables.



    The figure below shows the density function of $mathsfT(29).$
    Our observed $T$-statistic is shown by the vertical heavy blue line, which cuts area 0.2312 from the upper tail. Vertical dotted red lines show areas
    0.40, 0.25, and 0.10 cut from the upper tail by tabled values
    0.256, 0.683, and 1.311, respectively.



    enter image description here



    Finally, you can't use hypothesis testing to "determine' mean human body
    temperature. You can say your data are 'consistent with' 98.2. Or (from Minitab's confidence interval) with
    lots of other values between 98.05 and 98.52 degrees Fahrenheit.



    Note: For the reverse procedure, getting $T$ from a P-value, see
    this Q&A. Another look at the connection between
    $T$ and P-value.






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      Notice two things in the table.



      • For a given value of $nu$, an increase of the $t$-value corresponds to a decrease of the $alpha$-level (or p-value). That means high $t$-values are rarer when the null-hypothesis is true (if you observe a high $t$-value then this is 'special').


      • For a given $alpha$-level the t-values to obtain this level are lower when $nu$ increases.


      (sidenote: the table is for positive t-values, but the same can be done for negative t-values)



      Intuitively: you find the t-value by dividing the mean by the estimate of the variance. This estimate of the variance is a variable whose variance depends on the size of the sample. Every time you perform an experiment it will be different, and the smaller the sample the larger this difference.



      So a smaller sample size will cause the $t$-score to differ to a larger extent from experiment to experiment. When your sample is smaller, then the variance in the $t$-score will be larger and therefore larger $t$-score values will be less 'special'.



      You should look at the row for $nu = 29$



       alpha 

      0.40 0.25 0.10 0.05

      nu 29 0.256 0.683 1.311 1.6999


      You are not gonna find the value exactly but, what kind of $alpha$ or $p$ does the t-value $0.745$ correspond to? Between which two $p$ values should it be?



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        Notice two things in the table.



        • For a given value of $nu$, an increase of the $t$-value corresponds to a decrease of the $alpha$-level (or p-value). That means high $t$-values are rarer when the null-hypothesis is true (if you observe a high $t$-value then this is 'special').


        • For a given $alpha$-level the t-values to obtain this level are lower when $nu$ increases.


        (sidenote: the table is for positive t-values, but the same can be done for negative t-values)



        Intuitively: you find the t-value by dividing the mean by the estimate of the variance. This estimate of the variance is a variable whose variance depends on the size of the sample. Every time you perform an experiment it will be different, and the smaller the sample the larger this difference.



        So a smaller sample size will cause the $t$-score to differ to a larger extent from experiment to experiment. When your sample is smaller, then the variance in the $t$-score will be larger and therefore larger $t$-score values will be less 'special'.



        You should look at the row for $nu = 29$



         alpha 

        0.40 0.25 0.10 0.05

        nu 29 0.256 0.683 1.311 1.6999


        You are not gonna find the value exactly but, what kind of $alpha$ or $p$ does the t-value $0.745$ correspond to? Between which two $p$ values should it be?



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          Notice two things in the table.



          • For a given value of $nu$, an increase of the $t$-value corresponds to a decrease of the $alpha$-level (or p-value). That means high $t$-values are rarer when the null-hypothesis is true (if you observe a high $t$-value then this is 'special').


          • For a given $alpha$-level the t-values to obtain this level are lower when $nu$ increases.


          (sidenote: the table is for positive t-values, but the same can be done for negative t-values)



          Intuitively: you find the t-value by dividing the mean by the estimate of the variance. This estimate of the variance is a variable whose variance depends on the size of the sample. Every time you perform an experiment it will be different, and the smaller the sample the larger this difference.



          So a smaller sample size will cause the $t$-score to differ to a larger extent from experiment to experiment. When your sample is smaller, then the variance in the $t$-score will be larger and therefore larger $t$-score values will be less 'special'.



          You should look at the row for $nu = 29$



           alpha 

          0.40 0.25 0.10 0.05

          nu 29 0.256 0.683 1.311 1.6999


          You are not gonna find the value exactly but, what kind of $alpha$ or $p$ does the t-value $0.745$ correspond to? Between which two $p$ values should it be?



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          Notice two things in the table.



          • For a given value of $nu$, an increase of the $t$-value corresponds to a decrease of the $alpha$-level (or p-value). That means high $t$-values are rarer when the null-hypothesis is true (if you observe a high $t$-value then this is 'special').


          • For a given $alpha$-level the t-values to obtain this level are lower when $nu$ increases.


          (sidenote: the table is for positive t-values, but the same can be done for negative t-values)



          Intuitively: you find the t-value by dividing the mean by the estimate of the variance. This estimate of the variance is a variable whose variance depends on the size of the sample. Every time you perform an experiment it will be different, and the smaller the sample the larger this difference.



          So a smaller sample size will cause the $t$-score to differ to a larger extent from experiment to experiment. When your sample is smaller, then the variance in the $t$-score will be larger and therefore larger $t$-score values will be less 'special'.



          You should look at the row for $nu = 29$



           alpha 

          0.40 0.25 0.10 0.05

          nu 29 0.256 0.683 1.311 1.6999


          You are not gonna find the value exactly but, what kind of $alpha$ or $p$ does the t-value $0.745$ correspond to? Between which two $p$ values should it be?



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              I put your summarized data into Minitab's 'one-sample t` procedure.
              Here are results.



              One-Sample T 

              Test of μ = 98.2 vs ≠ 98.2

              N Mean StDev SE Mean 95% CI T P
              30 98.285 0.625 0.114 (98.052, 98.518) 0.74 0.462


              Here $T = frac98.285 - 98.20.625/sqrt30 = 0.7449027,$ which
              Minitab rounds to 0.74.



              If $T sim mathsfT(29)$ then one can use software to find that
              $P(T < .7449) approx 0.2312.$ For a two-sided t test the P-value
              is $P(|T| > .7449) approx 2(0.2312) approx 0.4624,$ which Minitab
              rounds to 0.46.



              P-values are 'creatures' of the computer age. Computations beyond elementary-school arithmetic are required to find exact P-values. Once you know that the
              P-value of a test is $0.46 > .05,$ you know you can't reject $H_0$
              at the 5% level (or the 10% level or at any other reasonable level).



              As @MartijnWeterings (+1) has shown, you can use a sufficiently detailed
              t table (row for 29 DF) to see that $0.256 < T < 0.683$ implies
              $0.80 > textP-value > 0.50$ for 2-sided P-values. But you usually won't be able to find
              exact P-values from printed tables.



              The figure below shows the density function of $mathsfT(29).$
              Our observed $T$-statistic is shown by the vertical heavy blue line, which cuts area 0.2312 from the upper tail. Vertical dotted red lines show areas
              0.40, 0.25, and 0.10 cut from the upper tail by tabled values
              0.256, 0.683, and 1.311, respectively.



              enter image description here



              Finally, you can't use hypothesis testing to "determine' mean human body
              temperature. You can say your data are 'consistent with' 98.2. Or (from Minitab's confidence interval) with
              lots of other values between 98.05 and 98.52 degrees Fahrenheit.



              Note: For the reverse procedure, getting $T$ from a P-value, see
              this Q&A. Another look at the connection between
              $T$ and P-value.






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                I put your summarized data into Minitab's 'one-sample t` procedure.
                Here are results.



                One-Sample T 

                Test of μ = 98.2 vs ≠ 98.2

                N Mean StDev SE Mean 95% CI T P
                30 98.285 0.625 0.114 (98.052, 98.518) 0.74 0.462


                Here $T = frac98.285 - 98.20.625/sqrt30 = 0.7449027,$ which
                Minitab rounds to 0.74.



                If $T sim mathsfT(29)$ then one can use software to find that
                $P(T < .7449) approx 0.2312.$ For a two-sided t test the P-value
                is $P(|T| > .7449) approx 2(0.2312) approx 0.4624,$ which Minitab
                rounds to 0.46.



                P-values are 'creatures' of the computer age. Computations beyond elementary-school arithmetic are required to find exact P-values. Once you know that the
                P-value of a test is $0.46 > .05,$ you know you can't reject $H_0$
                at the 5% level (or the 10% level or at any other reasonable level).



                As @MartijnWeterings (+1) has shown, you can use a sufficiently detailed
                t table (row for 29 DF) to see that $0.256 < T < 0.683$ implies
                $0.80 > textP-value > 0.50$ for 2-sided P-values. But you usually won't be able to find
                exact P-values from printed tables.



                The figure below shows the density function of $mathsfT(29).$
                Our observed $T$-statistic is shown by the vertical heavy blue line, which cuts area 0.2312 from the upper tail. Vertical dotted red lines show areas
                0.40, 0.25, and 0.10 cut from the upper tail by tabled values
                0.256, 0.683, and 1.311, respectively.



                enter image description here



                Finally, you can't use hypothesis testing to "determine' mean human body
                temperature. You can say your data are 'consistent with' 98.2. Or (from Minitab's confidence interval) with
                lots of other values between 98.05 and 98.52 degrees Fahrenheit.



                Note: For the reverse procedure, getting $T$ from a P-value, see
                this Q&A. Another look at the connection between
                $T$ and P-value.






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                  I put your summarized data into Minitab's 'one-sample t` procedure.
                  Here are results.



                  One-Sample T 

                  Test of μ = 98.2 vs ≠ 98.2

                  N Mean StDev SE Mean 95% CI T P
                  30 98.285 0.625 0.114 (98.052, 98.518) 0.74 0.462


                  Here $T = frac98.285 - 98.20.625/sqrt30 = 0.7449027,$ which
                  Minitab rounds to 0.74.



                  If $T sim mathsfT(29)$ then one can use software to find that
                  $P(T < .7449) approx 0.2312.$ For a two-sided t test the P-value
                  is $P(|T| > .7449) approx 2(0.2312) approx 0.4624,$ which Minitab
                  rounds to 0.46.



                  P-values are 'creatures' of the computer age. Computations beyond elementary-school arithmetic are required to find exact P-values. Once you know that the
                  P-value of a test is $0.46 > .05,$ you know you can't reject $H_0$
                  at the 5% level (or the 10% level or at any other reasonable level).



                  As @MartijnWeterings (+1) has shown, you can use a sufficiently detailed
                  t table (row for 29 DF) to see that $0.256 < T < 0.683$ implies
                  $0.80 > textP-value > 0.50$ for 2-sided P-values. But you usually won't be able to find
                  exact P-values from printed tables.



                  The figure below shows the density function of $mathsfT(29).$
                  Our observed $T$-statistic is shown by the vertical heavy blue line, which cuts area 0.2312 from the upper tail. Vertical dotted red lines show areas
                  0.40, 0.25, and 0.10 cut from the upper tail by tabled values
                  0.256, 0.683, and 1.311, respectively.



                  enter image description here



                  Finally, you can't use hypothesis testing to "determine' mean human body
                  temperature. You can say your data are 'consistent with' 98.2. Or (from Minitab's confidence interval) with
                  lots of other values between 98.05 and 98.52 degrees Fahrenheit.



                  Note: For the reverse procedure, getting $T$ from a P-value, see
                  this Q&A. Another look at the connection between
                  $T$ and P-value.






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                  I put your summarized data into Minitab's 'one-sample t` procedure.
                  Here are results.



                  One-Sample T 

                  Test of μ = 98.2 vs ≠ 98.2

                  N Mean StDev SE Mean 95% CI T P
                  30 98.285 0.625 0.114 (98.052, 98.518) 0.74 0.462


                  Here $T = frac98.285 - 98.20.625/sqrt30 = 0.7449027,$ which
                  Minitab rounds to 0.74.



                  If $T sim mathsfT(29)$ then one can use software to find that
                  $P(T < .7449) approx 0.2312.$ For a two-sided t test the P-value
                  is $P(|T| > .7449) approx 2(0.2312) approx 0.4624,$ which Minitab
                  rounds to 0.46.



                  P-values are 'creatures' of the computer age. Computations beyond elementary-school arithmetic are required to find exact P-values. Once you know that the
                  P-value of a test is $0.46 > .05,$ you know you can't reject $H_0$
                  at the 5% level (or the 10% level or at any other reasonable level).



                  As @MartijnWeterings (+1) has shown, you can use a sufficiently detailed
                  t table (row for 29 DF) to see that $0.256 < T < 0.683$ implies
                  $0.80 > textP-value > 0.50$ for 2-sided P-values. But you usually won't be able to find
                  exact P-values from printed tables.



                  The figure below shows the density function of $mathsfT(29).$
                  Our observed $T$-statistic is shown by the vertical heavy blue line, which cuts area 0.2312 from the upper tail. Vertical dotted red lines show areas
                  0.40, 0.25, and 0.10 cut from the upper tail by tabled values
                  0.256, 0.683, and 1.311, respectively.



                  enter image description here



                  Finally, you can't use hypothesis testing to "determine' mean human body
                  temperature. You can say your data are 'consistent with' 98.2. Or (from Minitab's confidence interval) with
                  lots of other values between 98.05 and 98.52 degrees Fahrenheit.



                  Note: For the reverse procedure, getting $T$ from a P-value, see
                  this Q&A. Another look at the connection between
                  $T$ and P-value.







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