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Unreliable Magic - Is it worth it?
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In my world, magic is unavoidably unreliable, for example:
You have a puncture. You cast a spell to mend it and with equal probability either it is mended or another tire is punctured.
You are trying to save an injured person. You cast a spell. Either they are saved or you kill them.
Question
It seems to me that such a magic is completely worthless. Can anyone prove me wrong by suggesting a case where both the intended result of a spell and its opposite would both be advantageous?
Note
There is no way to make magic more reliable. It is just a fact.
EDIT
I have been asked to clarify the extent of the unreliability. It does not happen with mathematical precision but there has to be some proportionality. For example if I try to light a fire I won't accidentally freeze the entire continent.
Examples of how things might go wrong:
I try to heat up my dinner. I end up with a frozen meal.
I try to repair a broken vase. Something else of a similar size falls off a shelf and breaks.
Explanation
The supreme being has tasked sprites with keeping magic balanced. There must be an equal amount of desired results as undesired. The sprites however have limited intelligence and a short attention span. Therefore to make their job easy they apply this 'balance' to each spell as it happens. They do their best either to comply or to do what they perceive to be the opposite. They are not mathematicians, they just do their best to maintain balance. Sprites flit around in the spirit dimension so you are very unlikely to get the same one for two spells in a row.
Magic is fairly small scale. It relates to everyday life. You can't use it to make the Sun disappear or even make a person disappear. The spell has to be 'plausible' and within the capabilities of a sprite.
EDIT 2
Some are trying to get me to redefine 'unreliable' as 'predictably wrong'. However those are quite distinct concepts. Sprites have autonomy and can use a certain amount of discretion to suit the circumstances. Sprite A might think "opposite" of "cast fireball at enemy" is "cast ice ball at enemy" but Sprite B might think the opposite is "cast fireball at spellcaster."
Most sprites would treat a simple coin-toss as resulting in heads or tails. In probabilistic terms your spell won't make a difference. However life in general isn't that simple so they have to use discretion in the limited time they have. Sometimes they will make a snap decision that is roughly opposite in their estimation.
As a guide, imagine that you are a sprite. You have no vested interest in or sympathy about the result - what do you choose in a given situation to be the desired outcome or the opposite? Pick the most obvious and move on.
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In my world, magic is unavoidably unreliable, for example:
You have a puncture. You cast a spell to mend it and with equal probability either it is mended or another tire is punctured.
You are trying to save an injured person. You cast a spell. Either they are saved or you kill them.
Question
It seems to me that such a magic is completely worthless. Can anyone prove me wrong by suggesting a case where both the intended result of a spell and its opposite would both be advantageous?
Note
There is no way to make magic more reliable. It is just a fact.
EDIT
I have been asked to clarify the extent of the unreliability. It does not happen with mathematical precision but there has to be some proportionality. For example if I try to light a fire I won't accidentally freeze the entire continent.
Examples of how things might go wrong:
I try to heat up my dinner. I end up with a frozen meal.
I try to repair a broken vase. Something else of a similar size falls off a shelf and breaks.
Explanation
The supreme being has tasked sprites with keeping magic balanced. There must be an equal amount of desired results as undesired. The sprites however have limited intelligence and a short attention span. Therefore to make their job easy they apply this 'balance' to each spell as it happens. They do their best either to comply or to do what they perceive to be the opposite. They are not mathematicians, they just do their best to maintain balance. Sprites flit around in the spirit dimension so you are very unlikely to get the same one for two spells in a row.
Magic is fairly small scale. It relates to everyday life. You can't use it to make the Sun disappear or even make a person disappear. The spell has to be 'plausible' and within the capabilities of a sprite.
EDIT 2
Some are trying to get me to redefine 'unreliable' as 'predictably wrong'. However those are quite distinct concepts. Sprites have autonomy and can use a certain amount of discretion to suit the circumstances. Sprite A might think "opposite" of "cast fireball at enemy" is "cast ice ball at enemy" but Sprite B might think the opposite is "cast fireball at spellcaster."
Most sprites would treat a simple coin-toss as resulting in heads or tails. In probabilistic terms your spell won't make a difference. However life in general isn't that simple so they have to use discretion in the limited time they have. Sometimes they will make a snap decision that is roughly opposite in their estimation.
As a guide, imagine that you are a sprite. You have no vested interest in or sympathy about the result - what do you choose in a given situation to be the desired outcome or the opposite? Pick the most obvious and move on.
reality-check magic
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The problem here is that many of the options require knowledge of what the unwanted effect would be. The example of the tyre causing another tyre to be punctured is fine, but what if the unwanted result is to kill you? Is that quantity/effect a definitely knowable fact or is the unwanted effect of unrealiable magic often unrelated to the intended effect?
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That's fine and well, but it doesn't negate my point, merely provides justification for some of the side effects. Then again, in a way you're saying that it might actually be a lot more controllable than you originally suggest; If you knew I wanted a pink elephant and you say to me "don't think of a pink elephant" and then I cast a spell to have a beer, what you're implying is that I would get a pink elephant, which is fine. I hacked the magic.
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The problem I see is that you're falling foul of the coin toss or stopped clock problem: A stopped clock is right twice a day and a coin toss will never come up "burger" (only heads or tails).
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– Matt W
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If the magic is such that any magic result might happen but you have a not-insignificant but still less-than-fifty-percent chance of getting what you want, things get interesting. But still, it's just probability. If repairing the tyre could end up destroying the universe, for example...
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– Matt W
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The premise you've put forward isn't that magic is unreliable. It sounds like, in your world, magic will either cause the intended effect or cause something even worse. That's not just unreliable, that's unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Unreliable would just mean sometimes the tire gets fixed and other times the magic does nothing, right?
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In my world, magic is unavoidably unreliable, for example:
You have a puncture. You cast a spell to mend it and with equal probability either it is mended or another tire is punctured.
You are trying to save an injured person. You cast a spell. Either they are saved or you kill them.
Question
It seems to me that such a magic is completely worthless. Can anyone prove me wrong by suggesting a case where both the intended result of a spell and its opposite would both be advantageous?
Note
There is no way to make magic more reliable. It is just a fact.
EDIT
I have been asked to clarify the extent of the unreliability. It does not happen with mathematical precision but there has to be some proportionality. For example if I try to light a fire I won't accidentally freeze the entire continent.
Examples of how things might go wrong:
I try to heat up my dinner. I end up with a frozen meal.
I try to repair a broken vase. Something else of a similar size falls off a shelf and breaks.
Explanation
The supreme being has tasked sprites with keeping magic balanced. There must be an equal amount of desired results as undesired. The sprites however have limited intelligence and a short attention span. Therefore to make their job easy they apply this 'balance' to each spell as it happens. They do their best either to comply or to do what they perceive to be the opposite. They are not mathematicians, they just do their best to maintain balance. Sprites flit around in the spirit dimension so you are very unlikely to get the same one for two spells in a row.
Magic is fairly small scale. It relates to everyday life. You can't use it to make the Sun disappear or even make a person disappear. The spell has to be 'plausible' and within the capabilities of a sprite.
EDIT 2
Some are trying to get me to redefine 'unreliable' as 'predictably wrong'. However those are quite distinct concepts. Sprites have autonomy and can use a certain amount of discretion to suit the circumstances. Sprite A might think "opposite" of "cast fireball at enemy" is "cast ice ball at enemy" but Sprite B might think the opposite is "cast fireball at spellcaster."
Most sprites would treat a simple coin-toss as resulting in heads or tails. In probabilistic terms your spell won't make a difference. However life in general isn't that simple so they have to use discretion in the limited time they have. Sometimes they will make a snap decision that is roughly opposite in their estimation.
As a guide, imagine that you are a sprite. You have no vested interest in or sympathy about the result - what do you choose in a given situation to be the desired outcome or the opposite? Pick the most obvious and move on.
reality-check magic
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In my world, magic is unavoidably unreliable, for example:
You have a puncture. You cast a spell to mend it and with equal probability either it is mended or another tire is punctured.
You are trying to save an injured person. You cast a spell. Either they are saved or you kill them.
Question
It seems to me that such a magic is completely worthless. Can anyone prove me wrong by suggesting a case where both the intended result of a spell and its opposite would both be advantageous?
Note
There is no way to make magic more reliable. It is just a fact.
EDIT
I have been asked to clarify the extent of the unreliability. It does not happen with mathematical precision but there has to be some proportionality. For example if I try to light a fire I won't accidentally freeze the entire continent.
Examples of how things might go wrong:
I try to heat up my dinner. I end up with a frozen meal.
I try to repair a broken vase. Something else of a similar size falls off a shelf and breaks.
Explanation
The supreme being has tasked sprites with keeping magic balanced. There must be an equal amount of desired results as undesired. The sprites however have limited intelligence and a short attention span. Therefore to make their job easy they apply this 'balance' to each spell as it happens. They do their best either to comply or to do what they perceive to be the opposite. They are not mathematicians, they just do their best to maintain balance. Sprites flit around in the spirit dimension so you are very unlikely to get the same one for two spells in a row.
Magic is fairly small scale. It relates to everyday life. You can't use it to make the Sun disappear or even make a person disappear. The spell has to be 'plausible' and within the capabilities of a sprite.
EDIT 2
Some are trying to get me to redefine 'unreliable' as 'predictably wrong'. However those are quite distinct concepts. Sprites have autonomy and can use a certain amount of discretion to suit the circumstances. Sprite A might think "opposite" of "cast fireball at enemy" is "cast ice ball at enemy" but Sprite B might think the opposite is "cast fireball at spellcaster."
Most sprites would treat a simple coin-toss as resulting in heads or tails. In probabilistic terms your spell won't make a difference. However life in general isn't that simple so they have to use discretion in the limited time they have. Sometimes they will make a snap decision that is roughly opposite in their estimation.
As a guide, imagine that you are a sprite. You have no vested interest in or sympathy about the result - what do you choose in a given situation to be the desired outcome or the opposite? Pick the most obvious and move on.
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The problem here is that many of the options require knowledge of what the unwanted effect would be. The example of the tyre causing another tyre to be punctured is fine, but what if the unwanted result is to kill you? Is that quantity/effect a definitely knowable fact or is the unwanted effect of unrealiable magic often unrelated to the intended effect?
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– Matt W
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That's fine and well, but it doesn't negate my point, merely provides justification for some of the side effects. Then again, in a way you're saying that it might actually be a lot more controllable than you originally suggest; If you knew I wanted a pink elephant and you say to me "don't think of a pink elephant" and then I cast a spell to have a beer, what you're implying is that I would get a pink elephant, which is fine. I hacked the magic.
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– Matt W
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The problem I see is that you're falling foul of the coin toss or stopped clock problem: A stopped clock is right twice a day and a coin toss will never come up "burger" (only heads or tails).
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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If the magic is such that any magic result might happen but you have a not-insignificant but still less-than-fifty-percent chance of getting what you want, things get interesting. But still, it's just probability. If repairing the tyre could end up destroying the universe, for example...
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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The premise you've put forward isn't that magic is unreliable. It sounds like, in your world, magic will either cause the intended effect or cause something even worse. That's not just unreliable, that's unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Unreliable would just mean sometimes the tire gets fixed and other times the magic does nothing, right?
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The problem here is that many of the options require knowledge of what the unwanted effect would be. The example of the tyre causing another tyre to be punctured is fine, but what if the unwanted result is to kill you? Is that quantity/effect a definitely knowable fact or is the unwanted effect of unrealiable magic often unrelated to the intended effect?
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– Matt W
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That's fine and well, but it doesn't negate my point, merely provides justification for some of the side effects. Then again, in a way you're saying that it might actually be a lot more controllable than you originally suggest; If you knew I wanted a pink elephant and you say to me "don't think of a pink elephant" and then I cast a spell to have a beer, what you're implying is that I would get a pink elephant, which is fine. I hacked the magic.
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– Matt W
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The problem I see is that you're falling foul of the coin toss or stopped clock problem: A stopped clock is right twice a day and a coin toss will never come up "burger" (only heads or tails).
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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If the magic is such that any magic result might happen but you have a not-insignificant but still less-than-fifty-percent chance of getting what you want, things get interesting. But still, it's just probability. If repairing the tyre could end up destroying the universe, for example...
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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The premise you've put forward isn't that magic is unreliable. It sounds like, in your world, magic will either cause the intended effect or cause something even worse. That's not just unreliable, that's unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Unreliable would just mean sometimes the tire gets fixed and other times the magic does nothing, right?
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The problem here is that many of the options require knowledge of what the unwanted effect would be. The example of the tyre causing another tyre to be punctured is fine, but what if the unwanted result is to kill you? Is that quantity/effect a definitely knowable fact or is the unwanted effect of unrealiable magic often unrelated to the intended effect?
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– Matt W
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The problem here is that many of the options require knowledge of what the unwanted effect would be. The example of the tyre causing another tyre to be punctured is fine, but what if the unwanted result is to kill you? Is that quantity/effect a definitely knowable fact or is the unwanted effect of unrealiable magic often unrelated to the intended effect?
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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That's fine and well, but it doesn't negate my point, merely provides justification for some of the side effects. Then again, in a way you're saying that it might actually be a lot more controllable than you originally suggest; If you knew I wanted a pink elephant and you say to me "don't think of a pink elephant" and then I cast a spell to have a beer, what you're implying is that I would get a pink elephant, which is fine. I hacked the magic.
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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That's fine and well, but it doesn't negate my point, merely provides justification for some of the side effects. Then again, in a way you're saying that it might actually be a lot more controllable than you originally suggest; If you knew I wanted a pink elephant and you say to me "don't think of a pink elephant" and then I cast a spell to have a beer, what you're implying is that I would get a pink elephant, which is fine. I hacked the magic.
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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The problem I see is that you're falling foul of the coin toss or stopped clock problem: A stopped clock is right twice a day and a coin toss will never come up "burger" (only heads or tails).
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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The problem I see is that you're falling foul of the coin toss or stopped clock problem: A stopped clock is right twice a day and a coin toss will never come up "burger" (only heads or tails).
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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If the magic is such that any magic result might happen but you have a not-insignificant but still less-than-fifty-percent chance of getting what you want, things get interesting. But still, it's just probability. If repairing the tyre could end up destroying the universe, for example...
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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If the magic is such that any magic result might happen but you have a not-insignificant but still less-than-fifty-percent chance of getting what you want, things get interesting. But still, it's just probability. If repairing the tyre could end up destroying the universe, for example...
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– Matt W
13 hours ago
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The premise you've put forward isn't that magic is unreliable. It sounds like, in your world, magic will either cause the intended effect or cause something even worse. That's not just unreliable, that's unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Unreliable would just mean sometimes the tire gets fixed and other times the magic does nothing, right?
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– only_pro
12 hours ago
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The premise you've put forward isn't that magic is unreliable. It sounds like, in your world, magic will either cause the intended effect or cause something even worse. That's not just unreliable, that's unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Unreliable would just mean sometimes the tire gets fixed and other times the magic does nothing, right?
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Sure, it's worth it in many cases.
For instance, if your car is stranded in the middle of the wilderness due to a tire puncture, using magic to try and mend it would be reasonable. In this situation, the car having two punctured tires isn't any worst than if it only has one. You'll still have to make your way to civilisation on foot either way. On the other hand, in the best case scenario (50% chance, so it's not even unlikely) it'll be repaired and you can complete your journey within the comfort of your automobile.
Many similar examples can be thought of in the case of an injured person. Let's say one of your battle compatriots has been injured and you're about the be surrounded by the enemy who you know will show you no mercy. Well, then it makes perfect sense for you to attempt to cure him. Either he will recover and perhaps help your group stand a better chance against your foes, or he will die by magic instead of by the hacking and piercing of steel.
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
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Beat me to it by a minute or so ;)
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– cegfault
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And me as well. Ah, well. Great minds think alike? (nervous grin)
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It's also the case that it hardly matters, think of all the millions of individuals and companies who have invested significant resources in IT 'time saving' devices and etc and then spent all the time they might have saved learning how to use it or fixing problems with it, when a type writer and filing system would have cost less...yet they persevered into bankruptcy.. Society benefits from those early adopters, but not necessarily the early adopters themselves. There's always plenty of people willing to try the shortcut or 'great leap forward'...or lottery ticket
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Many of these cards are very powerful and desirable under the right circumstances.
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And if you have two punctures you can cast it again. You either have fixed car or 4 punctured tires. This time probability favors you.
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If repeated castings are possible, then the odds just got a lot better.
As AngelPray points out:
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
The corollary to this is that if you can keep trying repeatedly, and you're not significantly worse off with a failure, you'll eventually succeed. You went from one puncture to two? Cast it again. You have four punctured tires? Cast a spell to repair them all. Your car now has a giant hole in the middle? Cast it again. Eventually, you'll get your car back in perfect condition.
Obviously, this won't work if the "bad" outcome is worse than magic can handle (such as killing your friend, if resurrection is beyond magical means), but in that case, you're back to where we started with AngelPray's quote.
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I was going to post something like this but with a counter spell/shield idea. Cast a shield before the spell, you have a 25% chance that the original spell and the shield will both fail at the same time. Repeat for even better chances.
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It might be worth adding reference to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)
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– Lyndon White
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Given the lack of detail in the post I think this answer is the best one. If you kill the person with one spell then cast another to bring them back to life or kill them again? With 50/50 odds it's a no brainer! However, I would hate to be the receiver of this gambling spell if my leg is broken and I am in agonizing pain.
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Be careful though with such impredictible magic. If you fail to repair one tire, you wreck another. If you fail to repair both, maybe you break 4. The next logical step is 8 punctured tires, and one has to wonder where and how these tires will manifest. It would be a shame if the next car that comes around loses control due to flat tires and runs you over. Eventually the probabilities will favour you, but you need to survive until then.
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– AmiralPatate
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"if resurrection is beyond magical means" I would guess resurrection spells would be rare anyway if the backfiring were killing the caster.
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It depends on how unreliable your magic really is. If sometimes your magic does what you want, and sometimes does the opposite, then you can make it do what you want 100% of the time (for certain spells)!
Either way it goes, it still gets the job done. There are a lot of ways of hurting people. You could conjure an enormous fireball, adding an incredible amount of energy to a localized area... or you could conjure a blast of ice, removing the same amount of energy. But burned or frozen, the enemy is still just as dead.
Ignore the bad results. Sometimes when you try to make a pebble glow brightly, it instead creates darkness. No worries; if you cast the same spell a bunch of times, you can throw away the "darkness stones," and hang on to the glow stones you made. Or, in the case of a punctured tire, don't fix just one - try to fix a whole pile, and sell the ones you fixed. And when you need to inflate it, a spell that removes all the air from the tire is easy to revert until you get the spell that fills it up.
Make magical items. Sure, sometimes your spell makes a potion of healing and sometimes it makes a potion of harming, but you can test the result, and people will buy both.
Use spells that either work or fizzle. Trying to make something do something it's not doing - a person fly, a dog speak English, a cat obey - will either work, or do the opposite... which is nothing at all. Sure, you're going to have to cast spells more than once, but you'll eventually get the job done.
If you want to cause damage, that's easy; if you want to be constructive, that's a little harder, but carefully choosing what your spell does will ensure that after enough attempts, your spell will eventually work as intended.
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So, basically, just p-value fishing :)
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– vsz
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Is "freezing my enemy" the opposite of "burning my enemy", or is it "freezing myself"?
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– AmiralPatate
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@AmiralPatate I guess it depends on exactly how opposite it is. "Sometimes has the opposite effect", or "sometimes does the literal exact opposite"? Is "over there"'s opposite "over here", or "the same distance on the other side of me"? Either way, of course, a little experimentation will show the right spells to use.
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Such a magic would be useful for those situations where you are not too concerned with the immediate outcome but rather the consequences of those actions.
Rough example. There is a war. You don't particulary care who wins but you want the ceaseless fighting and killing to end. So you cast your magic on one side to win. Either they win or they lose...but the war is over! (And if the magic did nothing...try again)
You have to trick the magic into giving you the real end result you want.
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Relevant username...
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I suppose this depends if your 'opposite effect' is predictable. In combat you may, for example, try to fireball an enemy, or maybe throw them into the air; you may not necessarily be concerned if they end up frozen or pinned to the ground instead. But you may not want to risk casting the spells if other unpredictable outcomes are possible.
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This exactly. Reminds me of the 'teleport' spell in the original Diablo 1 game. The spell was guaranteed to "get you out of there", but you had no idea where that would be. In theory it could take you to a far worse spot than where you started from. It also reminds me of those sweets in the harry potter universe, I forget what they're called. Seems to me people enjoyed them regardless of the 50% risk you could be tasting earwax next.
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@TasosPapastylianou Every Flavour Beans?
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Statistically if you run the spell enough times you would eventually get what you want.
- So you cast a spell to heal someone, but they die.
- Then you cast a spell to bring them back to life but their body denigrates.
- Then you cast a spell to turn their dust into the original person.
- And so on.
Of course the down side is that each time you fail you may need a better and better spell (and possibly more energy) to fix the accumulated effects of the failed spells. So in the long run those who can cast better spells and who have more stamina have a better chance of getting what they want.
There is also the case of casting a spell that enables you to do something that was already very improbable.
So I cast a spell to print out the lotto numbers on a piece of paper...
There is a 50% chance that It doesn't work out and the paper disintegrates.
Well that's way better than the one in a billion chance I had before.
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When it comes to effects whose opposites are also useful, it strongly depends on what "opposite" means when it comes to an effect. Hopefully it's not some kind of pseudo-intelligent monkey paw type of opposite.
For example, if I cast a spell to induce current in a wire, is the opposite effect to induce an opposite current from what I want? If so, we just add a rectifier to the circuit, so the output current is always the same.
We could also generate power pneumatically by casting a spell to double the pressure inside an air tank. If this tank has one-way check valves (i.e. a rectifier), we can control the flow of air and use that to spin turbines.
It's even possible to build rotational rectifiers, so you could spin something with magic and have the output always be the same direction. Or magically kick a pendulum hooked up to an escapement.
If any of these work, congratulations, you have infinite free energy and with that you can develop technology that is distinguishable from magic by being actually reliable.
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Sometimes a simple corollary is the most efficient way to answer a question:
People undergo surgery to fix something. Sometimes it kills them.
Surgery is a $21 billion dollar industry
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true, but the chances aren't 50:50 while the question specifically states that both outcomes are equally likely.
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@Tom : but there are many illnesses (and surgeries) where the chance to survive is less than 50%. In such cases the spell will improve the odds.
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To add to this, I recently refreshed on CPR training. One of the things they repeat, to drive the point home is "Don't worry about breaking bones or hurting them. you can't make things worse" While you could argue that a stopped heart + broken ribs is worse than just the former, that is not the concern if they'll be dead either way. Better to try and keep them alive, instead of worrying about something so unimportant as an injury.
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@Baldrickk well if your course was well done, you understand that it's "a stopped heart someone kept mechanically beating to prevent the advancement of the clock of death and brain damage + broken ribs vs a stopped heart, brain and neurological damage as time goes by"..... so it's not really the same here, imho.... (but I still get your point :) )
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@Patrice yes, they did go through that, they also went over the stats of how many heart attack victims who were alive when the ambulance was called, are not when it arrives - without CPR, it's a tiny number. At this point, we may as well just compare "dead" to "maybe not dead"
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Your magic is statistically useless on the individual level.
If I have a band of soldiers, all wounded badly, then I don't have a fighting unit. If I do nothing, then over time they will either heal or die. In fact, until the invention of antibiotics and other modern medicine, the chance to die from a serious wound was pretty much 50:50 anyway.
Your magic basically just accelerates this process. But that means I get a fighting unit back! It is now half the original size, but that half is healed and ready to fight. Very useful!
So on the level of groups or collections, your magic is far from useless.
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I don't see why your example is useless to the individual. Every wounded soldier can recover completely or die quickly, either of which is probably preferable to a slow, painful death from a severe battle wound. There will be individuals with a <50% chance of survival, so the magic is clearly of benefit to them as it improves their individual odds of survival.
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Use it as a weapon. Your mages go into battle and heal the enemy. Fix their high blood pressure. Congenitive heart defect or heart murmur? Cure their gout. If it succeeds the enemy isn't really better off, you aren't reviving a fallen warrior. You may also be able to cast it again until you do cause catastrophic or deadly injuries. If it fails, one less enemy. With a fifty percent success rate your mages will be racking up kills fairly quickly.
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yep If you can cast them in quick succession, just do so until the person has something horrible happen to him - it doesn't matter that you cured his acne on the way to exploding his cranium :-)
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As far as I've read it this doesnt seem to work. The opposite of healing a fleshwound is creating another fleshwound, not insta-murder. If what you said was true the question would have mentioned "you either mend the hole in your wheel if successful or your entire car explodes".
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I'll not add more of the "use chance calculations" answer but provide a surprisingly still unique view on this subject.
Your magic is what I think of as "aware magic". If you try to mend a hole in your Tire the magic (or the user of the magic) is aware of what a hole is, what a wheel is and how it needs to be to be "repaired", or how to punch a hole in another wheel instead of in the car door, the asphalt or the person casting the spell. So if you are aware of what the magic or the user thinks is the opposite you can use it.
Example: you fill two large canisters with gas or liquid and connect them, put a dynamo in the middle and a release valve. Make the gas/liquid something valuable.
Now you cast a spell on the contents of one canister to double its contents, increasing the pressure. If it succeeds then the pressure drives the dynamo as the pressure pushes the opposing piston. If it failes it will halve the contents and the opposing canister will now have its contents flow to the other side. No matter which outcome you get you get electricity, and probability says that because the gas creates an equilibrium, you are more likely to create more gas in the long run.
If you get more gas and the pressure gets too high the release valve can be used and now you have created both energy and a valuable material, which you can store, sell or use. Sometimes chance will make you halve the gas content so much that you have to refill it, but with the stored gas from the times you generated too much you should be able to do this virtually forever.
Another option: nuclear waste disposal. You cast a spell to rejuvinate the waste into useable nuclear fuel. If successful you need to buy less of the expensive nuclear fuel or get rid of it.
If unsuccessful it depends on the outcome:
It disappears. Yey! No disposal and a lot of concerns put to rest.
It doubles. Yey! Double the nuclear waste means double the chance to purify it (even better if your spell can target the heap and have 50% chance success each time). This means absolute infinite energy for everyone, assuming magic avoids the Newtons law pitfall (which it usually does).
It becomes extremely radioactive. Well either you can use that for the nuclear reactor, or if he was alive Ghandi would know how to use that.
https://youtu.be/lQBV3-kwh5k
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Unreliable Magic worth it as long as the risk, production and cost is under control within a sustainable amount.
The sustainability can be subjective. Putting those environmental drawback aside. Nuclear power having risk of leakage and it is costly compare to gas and oil, but the power produced is far greater in 10x.
Another example with unreliable magic in some other culture, Strait_Jacket treats Unreliable Magic as a kind of pollution.
Due to an invisible contaminant called the "malediction", or simply the "curse", people who use magic too often are at risk in transforming into "Demons," or horrific, malevolent abominations of nature that become immune to ordinary weapons.
This is sustainable as long as the damage comes under control with a special mess cleaning up organization. One of the scene, the surgeon having magic overdosed in the operation theatre while using magic like x-ray. Potentially the x-ray benefit produces a lot more than the risk of having the additional bit of pollution.
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Welcome Kelvin Ng, whilst you've given an interesting starting point, this doesn't answer the question. You can edit your answer to change it though.
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This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
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In the Coldfire trilogy, by Celia S. Friedman, magic is very wild. It can manifest just by a person untamed thoughts/fears, yet it can be controlled by very talented people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldfire_Trilogy
One of these people is Gerald Tarrant, who is capable of controlling it beyond what anyone believes is possible. He can do it because of his very powerful mind, among other reasons.
This isn't an exact 1:1 relationship with your world, but there's a lot of similarities. With about 1000 pages to each book, you should run into a lot of the same problems as your world. Even if not, it's a very good series and might give you some ideas anyway.
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Sure, it's worth it in many cases.
For instance, if your car is stranded in the middle of the wilderness due to a tire puncture, using magic to try and mend it would be reasonable. In this situation, the car having two punctured tires isn't any worst than if it only has one. You'll still have to make your way to civilisation on foot either way. On the other hand, in the best case scenario (50% chance, so it's not even unlikely) it'll be repaired and you can complete your journey within the comfort of your automobile.
Many similar examples can be thought of in the case of an injured person. Let's say one of your battle compatriots has been injured and you're about the be surrounded by the enemy who you know will show you no mercy. Well, then it makes perfect sense for you to attempt to cure him. Either he will recover and perhaps help your group stand a better chance against your foes, or he will die by magic instead of by the hacking and piercing of steel.
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
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Beat me to it by a minute or so ;)
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– cegfault
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And me as well. Ah, well. Great minds think alike? (nervous grin)
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– MacA
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It's also the case that it hardly matters, think of all the millions of individuals and companies who have invested significant resources in IT 'time saving' devices and etc and then spent all the time they might have saved learning how to use it or fixing problems with it, when a type writer and filing system would have cost less...yet they persevered into bankruptcy.. Society benefits from those early adopters, but not necessarily the early adopters themselves. There's always plenty of people willing to try the shortcut or 'great leap forward'...or lottery ticket
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– Giu Piete
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Many of these cards are very powerful and desirable under the right circumstances.
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– Jesse Amano
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And if you have two punctures you can cast it again. You either have fixed car or 4 punctured tires. This time probability favors you.
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Sure, it's worth it in many cases.
For instance, if your car is stranded in the middle of the wilderness due to a tire puncture, using magic to try and mend it would be reasonable. In this situation, the car having two punctured tires isn't any worst than if it only has one. You'll still have to make your way to civilisation on foot either way. On the other hand, in the best case scenario (50% chance, so it's not even unlikely) it'll be repaired and you can complete your journey within the comfort of your automobile.
Many similar examples can be thought of in the case of an injured person. Let's say one of your battle compatriots has been injured and you're about the be surrounded by the enemy who you know will show you no mercy. Well, then it makes perfect sense for you to attempt to cure him. Either he will recover and perhaps help your group stand a better chance against your foes, or he will die by magic instead of by the hacking and piercing of steel.
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
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Beat me to it by a minute or so ;)
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– cegfault
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And me as well. Ah, well. Great minds think alike? (nervous grin)
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– MacA
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It's also the case that it hardly matters, think of all the millions of individuals and companies who have invested significant resources in IT 'time saving' devices and etc and then spent all the time they might have saved learning how to use it or fixing problems with it, when a type writer and filing system would have cost less...yet they persevered into bankruptcy.. Society benefits from those early adopters, but not necessarily the early adopters themselves. There's always plenty of people willing to try the shortcut or 'great leap forward'...or lottery ticket
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– Giu Piete
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Many of these cards are very powerful and desirable under the right circumstances.
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– Jesse Amano
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And if you have two punctures you can cast it again. You either have fixed car or 4 punctured tires. This time probability favors you.
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Sure, it's worth it in many cases.
For instance, if your car is stranded in the middle of the wilderness due to a tire puncture, using magic to try and mend it would be reasonable. In this situation, the car having two punctured tires isn't any worst than if it only has one. You'll still have to make your way to civilisation on foot either way. On the other hand, in the best case scenario (50% chance, so it's not even unlikely) it'll be repaired and you can complete your journey within the comfort of your automobile.
Many similar examples can be thought of in the case of an injured person. Let's say one of your battle compatriots has been injured and you're about the be surrounded by the enemy who you know will show you no mercy. Well, then it makes perfect sense for you to attempt to cure him. Either he will recover and perhaps help your group stand a better chance against your foes, or he will die by magic instead of by the hacking and piercing of steel.
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
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Sure, it's worth it in many cases.
For instance, if your car is stranded in the middle of the wilderness due to a tire puncture, using magic to try and mend it would be reasonable. In this situation, the car having two punctured tires isn't any worst than if it only has one. You'll still have to make your way to civilisation on foot either way. On the other hand, in the best case scenario (50% chance, so it's not even unlikely) it'll be repaired and you can complete your journey within the comfort of your automobile.
Many similar examples can be thought of in the case of an injured person. Let's say one of your battle compatriots has been injured and you're about the be surrounded by the enemy who you know will show you no mercy. Well, then it makes perfect sense for you to attempt to cure him. Either he will recover and perhaps help your group stand a better chance against your foes, or he will die by magic instead of by the hacking and piercing of steel.
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
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Beat me to it by a minute or so ;)
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– cegfault
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And me as well. Ah, well. Great minds think alike? (nervous grin)
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It's also the case that it hardly matters, think of all the millions of individuals and companies who have invested significant resources in IT 'time saving' devices and etc and then spent all the time they might have saved learning how to use it or fixing problems with it, when a type writer and filing system would have cost less...yet they persevered into bankruptcy.. Society benefits from those early adopters, but not necessarily the early adopters themselves. There's always plenty of people willing to try the shortcut or 'great leap forward'...or lottery ticket
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Many of these cards are very powerful and desirable under the right circumstances.
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– Jesse Amano
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And if you have two punctures you can cast it again. You either have fixed car or 4 punctured tires. This time probability favors you.
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Beat me to it by a minute or so ;)
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– cegfault
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And me as well. Ah, well. Great minds think alike? (nervous grin)
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– MacA
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It's also the case that it hardly matters, think of all the millions of individuals and companies who have invested significant resources in IT 'time saving' devices and etc and then spent all the time they might have saved learning how to use it or fixing problems with it, when a type writer and filing system would have cost less...yet they persevered into bankruptcy.. Society benefits from those early adopters, but not necessarily the early adopters themselves. There's always plenty of people willing to try the shortcut or 'great leap forward'...or lottery ticket
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– Giu Piete
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Many of these cards are very powerful and desirable under the right circumstances.
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– Jesse Amano
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And if you have two punctures you can cast it again. You either have fixed car or 4 punctured tires. This time probability favors you.
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– atayenel
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Beat me to it by a minute or so ;)
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– cegfault
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Beat me to it by a minute or so ;)
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And me as well. Ah, well. Great minds think alike? (nervous grin)
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– MacA
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And me as well. Ah, well. Great minds think alike? (nervous grin)
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It's also the case that it hardly matters, think of all the millions of individuals and companies who have invested significant resources in IT 'time saving' devices and etc and then spent all the time they might have saved learning how to use it or fixing problems with it, when a type writer and filing system would have cost less...yet they persevered into bankruptcy.. Society benefits from those early adopters, but not necessarily the early adopters themselves. There's always plenty of people willing to try the shortcut or 'great leap forward'...or lottery ticket
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– Giu Piete
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It's also the case that it hardly matters, think of all the millions of individuals and companies who have invested significant resources in IT 'time saving' devices and etc and then spent all the time they might have saved learning how to use it or fixing problems with it, when a type writer and filing system would have cost less...yet they persevered into bankruptcy.. Society benefits from those early adopters, but not necessarily the early adopters themselves. There's always plenty of people willing to try the shortcut or 'great leap forward'...or lottery ticket
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Many of these cards are very powerful and desirable under the right circumstances.
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– Jesse Amano
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Many of these cards are very powerful and desirable under the right circumstances.
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And if you have two punctures you can cast it again. You either have fixed car or 4 punctured tires. This time probability favors you.
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– atayenel
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And if you have two punctures you can cast it again. You either have fixed car or 4 punctured tires. This time probability favors you.
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If repeated castings are possible, then the odds just got a lot better.
As AngelPray points out:
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
The corollary to this is that if you can keep trying repeatedly, and you're not significantly worse off with a failure, you'll eventually succeed. You went from one puncture to two? Cast it again. You have four punctured tires? Cast a spell to repair them all. Your car now has a giant hole in the middle? Cast it again. Eventually, you'll get your car back in perfect condition.
Obviously, this won't work if the "bad" outcome is worse than magic can handle (such as killing your friend, if resurrection is beyond magical means), but in that case, you're back to where we started with AngelPray's quote.
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I was going to post something like this but with a counter spell/shield idea. Cast a shield before the spell, you have a 25% chance that the original spell and the shield will both fail at the same time. Repeat for even better chances.
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It might be worth adding reference to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)
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Given the lack of detail in the post I think this answer is the best one. If you kill the person with one spell then cast another to bring them back to life or kill them again? With 50/50 odds it's a no brainer! However, I would hate to be the receiver of this gambling spell if my leg is broken and I am in agonizing pain.
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Be careful though with such impredictible magic. If you fail to repair one tire, you wreck another. If you fail to repair both, maybe you break 4. The next logical step is 8 punctured tires, and one has to wonder where and how these tires will manifest. It would be a shame if the next car that comes around loses control due to flat tires and runs you over. Eventually the probabilities will favour you, but you need to survive until then.
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"if resurrection is beyond magical means" I would guess resurrection spells would be rare anyway if the backfiring were killing the caster.
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If repeated castings are possible, then the odds just got a lot better.
As AngelPray points out:
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
The corollary to this is that if you can keep trying repeatedly, and you're not significantly worse off with a failure, you'll eventually succeed. You went from one puncture to two? Cast it again. You have four punctured tires? Cast a spell to repair them all. Your car now has a giant hole in the middle? Cast it again. Eventually, you'll get your car back in perfect condition.
Obviously, this won't work if the "bad" outcome is worse than magic can handle (such as killing your friend, if resurrection is beyond magical means), but in that case, you're back to where we started with AngelPray's quote.
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I was going to post something like this but with a counter spell/shield idea. Cast a shield before the spell, you have a 25% chance that the original spell and the shield will both fail at the same time. Repeat for even better chances.
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– Muuski
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It might be worth adding reference to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)
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Given the lack of detail in the post I think this answer is the best one. If you kill the person with one spell then cast another to bring them back to life or kill them again? With 50/50 odds it's a no brainer! However, I would hate to be the receiver of this gambling spell if my leg is broken and I am in agonizing pain.
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Be careful though with such impredictible magic. If you fail to repair one tire, you wreck another. If you fail to repair both, maybe you break 4. The next logical step is 8 punctured tires, and one has to wonder where and how these tires will manifest. It would be a shame if the next car that comes around loses control due to flat tires and runs you over. Eventually the probabilities will favour you, but you need to survive until then.
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"if resurrection is beyond magical means" I would guess resurrection spells would be rare anyway if the backfiring were killing the caster.
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If repeated castings are possible, then the odds just got a lot better.
As AngelPray points out:
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
The corollary to this is that if you can keep trying repeatedly, and you're not significantly worse off with a failure, you'll eventually succeed. You went from one puncture to two? Cast it again. You have four punctured tires? Cast a spell to repair them all. Your car now has a giant hole in the middle? Cast it again. Eventually, you'll get your car back in perfect condition.
Obviously, this won't work if the "bad" outcome is worse than magic can handle (such as killing your friend, if resurrection is beyond magical means), but in that case, you're back to where we started with AngelPray's quote.
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If repeated castings are possible, then the odds just got a lot better.
As AngelPray points out:
There are all sorts of times where a partly broken object or person is no more useful than a very broken object or person. It's times like these that magic comes in handy.
The corollary to this is that if you can keep trying repeatedly, and you're not significantly worse off with a failure, you'll eventually succeed. You went from one puncture to two? Cast it again. You have four punctured tires? Cast a spell to repair them all. Your car now has a giant hole in the middle? Cast it again. Eventually, you'll get your car back in perfect condition.
Obviously, this won't work if the "bad" outcome is worse than magic can handle (such as killing your friend, if resurrection is beyond magical means), but in that case, you're back to where we started with AngelPray's quote.
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I was going to post something like this but with a counter spell/shield idea. Cast a shield before the spell, you have a 25% chance that the original spell and the shield will both fail at the same time. Repeat for even better chances.
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– Muuski
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It might be worth adding reference to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)
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– Lyndon White
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Given the lack of detail in the post I think this answer is the best one. If you kill the person with one spell then cast another to bring them back to life or kill them again? With 50/50 odds it's a no brainer! However, I would hate to be the receiver of this gambling spell if my leg is broken and I am in agonizing pain.
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Be careful though with such impredictible magic. If you fail to repair one tire, you wreck another. If you fail to repair both, maybe you break 4. The next logical step is 8 punctured tires, and one has to wonder where and how these tires will manifest. It would be a shame if the next car that comes around loses control due to flat tires and runs you over. Eventually the probabilities will favour you, but you need to survive until then.
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– AmiralPatate
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"if resurrection is beyond magical means" I would guess resurrection spells would be rare anyway if the backfiring were killing the caster.
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I was going to post something like this but with a counter spell/shield idea. Cast a shield before the spell, you have a 25% chance that the original spell and the shield will both fail at the same time. Repeat for even better chances.
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– Muuski
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It might be worth adding reference to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)
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– Lyndon White
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Given the lack of detail in the post I think this answer is the best one. If you kill the person with one spell then cast another to bring them back to life or kill them again? With 50/50 odds it's a no brainer! However, I would hate to be the receiver of this gambling spell if my leg is broken and I am in agonizing pain.
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Be careful though with such impredictible magic. If you fail to repair one tire, you wreck another. If you fail to repair both, maybe you break 4. The next logical step is 8 punctured tires, and one has to wonder where and how these tires will manifest. It would be a shame if the next car that comes around loses control due to flat tires and runs you over. Eventually the probabilities will favour you, but you need to survive until then.
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"if resurrection is beyond magical means" I would guess resurrection spells would be rare anyway if the backfiring were killing the caster.
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I was going to post something like this but with a counter spell/shield idea. Cast a shield before the spell, you have a 25% chance that the original spell and the shield will both fail at the same time. Repeat for even better chances.
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I was going to post something like this but with a counter spell/shield idea. Cast a shield before the spell, you have a 25% chance that the original spell and the shield will both fail at the same time. Repeat for even better chances.
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It might be worth adding reference to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)
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– Lyndon White
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It might be worth adding reference to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)
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Given the lack of detail in the post I think this answer is the best one. If you kill the person with one spell then cast another to bring them back to life or kill them again? With 50/50 odds it's a no brainer! However, I would hate to be the receiver of this gambling spell if my leg is broken and I am in agonizing pain.
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– MonkeyZeus
11 hours ago
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Given the lack of detail in the post I think this answer is the best one. If you kill the person with one spell then cast another to bring them back to life or kill them again? With 50/50 odds it's a no brainer! However, I would hate to be the receiver of this gambling spell if my leg is broken and I am in agonizing pain.
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– MonkeyZeus
11 hours ago
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Be careful though with such impredictible magic. If you fail to repair one tire, you wreck another. If you fail to repair both, maybe you break 4. The next logical step is 8 punctured tires, and one has to wonder where and how these tires will manifest. It would be a shame if the next car that comes around loses control due to flat tires and runs you over. Eventually the probabilities will favour you, but you need to survive until then.
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– AmiralPatate
11 hours ago
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Be careful though with such impredictible magic. If you fail to repair one tire, you wreck another. If you fail to repair both, maybe you break 4. The next logical step is 8 punctured tires, and one has to wonder where and how these tires will manifest. It would be a shame if the next car that comes around loses control due to flat tires and runs you over. Eventually the probabilities will favour you, but you need to survive until then.
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– AmiralPatate
11 hours ago
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"if resurrection is beyond magical means" I would guess resurrection spells would be rare anyway if the backfiring were killing the caster.
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– Kevin
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"if resurrection is beyond magical means" I would guess resurrection spells would be rare anyway if the backfiring were killing the caster.
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It depends on how unreliable your magic really is. If sometimes your magic does what you want, and sometimes does the opposite, then you can make it do what you want 100% of the time (for certain spells)!
Either way it goes, it still gets the job done. There are a lot of ways of hurting people. You could conjure an enormous fireball, adding an incredible amount of energy to a localized area... or you could conjure a blast of ice, removing the same amount of energy. But burned or frozen, the enemy is still just as dead.
Ignore the bad results. Sometimes when you try to make a pebble glow brightly, it instead creates darkness. No worries; if you cast the same spell a bunch of times, you can throw away the "darkness stones," and hang on to the glow stones you made. Or, in the case of a punctured tire, don't fix just one - try to fix a whole pile, and sell the ones you fixed. And when you need to inflate it, a spell that removes all the air from the tire is easy to revert until you get the spell that fills it up.
Make magical items. Sure, sometimes your spell makes a potion of healing and sometimes it makes a potion of harming, but you can test the result, and people will buy both.
Use spells that either work or fizzle. Trying to make something do something it's not doing - a person fly, a dog speak English, a cat obey - will either work, or do the opposite... which is nothing at all. Sure, you're going to have to cast spells more than once, but you'll eventually get the job done.
If you want to cause damage, that's easy; if you want to be constructive, that's a little harder, but carefully choosing what your spell does will ensure that after enough attempts, your spell will eventually work as intended.
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So, basically, just p-value fishing :)
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– vsz
17 hours ago
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Is "freezing my enemy" the opposite of "burning my enemy", or is it "freezing myself"?
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– AmiralPatate
11 hours ago
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@AmiralPatate I guess it depends on exactly how opposite it is. "Sometimes has the opposite effect", or "sometimes does the literal exact opposite"? Is "over there"'s opposite "over here", or "the same distance on the other side of me"? Either way, of course, a little experimentation will show the right spells to use.
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7 hours ago
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It depends on how unreliable your magic really is. If sometimes your magic does what you want, and sometimes does the opposite, then you can make it do what you want 100% of the time (for certain spells)!
Either way it goes, it still gets the job done. There are a lot of ways of hurting people. You could conjure an enormous fireball, adding an incredible amount of energy to a localized area... or you could conjure a blast of ice, removing the same amount of energy. But burned or frozen, the enemy is still just as dead.
Ignore the bad results. Sometimes when you try to make a pebble glow brightly, it instead creates darkness. No worries; if you cast the same spell a bunch of times, you can throw away the "darkness stones," and hang on to the glow stones you made. Or, in the case of a punctured tire, don't fix just one - try to fix a whole pile, and sell the ones you fixed. And when you need to inflate it, a spell that removes all the air from the tire is easy to revert until you get the spell that fills it up.
Make magical items. Sure, sometimes your spell makes a potion of healing and sometimes it makes a potion of harming, but you can test the result, and people will buy both.
Use spells that either work or fizzle. Trying to make something do something it's not doing - a person fly, a dog speak English, a cat obey - will either work, or do the opposite... which is nothing at all. Sure, you're going to have to cast spells more than once, but you'll eventually get the job done.
If you want to cause damage, that's easy; if you want to be constructive, that's a little harder, but carefully choosing what your spell does will ensure that after enough attempts, your spell will eventually work as intended.
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So, basically, just p-value fishing :)
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– vsz
17 hours ago
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Is "freezing my enemy" the opposite of "burning my enemy", or is it "freezing myself"?
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– AmiralPatate
11 hours ago
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@AmiralPatate I guess it depends on exactly how opposite it is. "Sometimes has the opposite effect", or "sometimes does the literal exact opposite"? Is "over there"'s opposite "over here", or "the same distance on the other side of me"? Either way, of course, a little experimentation will show the right spells to use.
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– ArmanX
7 hours ago
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It depends on how unreliable your magic really is. If sometimes your magic does what you want, and sometimes does the opposite, then you can make it do what you want 100% of the time (for certain spells)!
Either way it goes, it still gets the job done. There are a lot of ways of hurting people. You could conjure an enormous fireball, adding an incredible amount of energy to a localized area... or you could conjure a blast of ice, removing the same amount of energy. But burned or frozen, the enemy is still just as dead.
Ignore the bad results. Sometimes when you try to make a pebble glow brightly, it instead creates darkness. No worries; if you cast the same spell a bunch of times, you can throw away the "darkness stones," and hang on to the glow stones you made. Or, in the case of a punctured tire, don't fix just one - try to fix a whole pile, and sell the ones you fixed. And when you need to inflate it, a spell that removes all the air from the tire is easy to revert until you get the spell that fills it up.
Make magical items. Sure, sometimes your spell makes a potion of healing and sometimes it makes a potion of harming, but you can test the result, and people will buy both.
Use spells that either work or fizzle. Trying to make something do something it's not doing - a person fly, a dog speak English, a cat obey - will either work, or do the opposite... which is nothing at all. Sure, you're going to have to cast spells more than once, but you'll eventually get the job done.
If you want to cause damage, that's easy; if you want to be constructive, that's a little harder, but carefully choosing what your spell does will ensure that after enough attempts, your spell will eventually work as intended.
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It depends on how unreliable your magic really is. If sometimes your magic does what you want, and sometimes does the opposite, then you can make it do what you want 100% of the time (for certain spells)!
Either way it goes, it still gets the job done. There are a lot of ways of hurting people. You could conjure an enormous fireball, adding an incredible amount of energy to a localized area... or you could conjure a blast of ice, removing the same amount of energy. But burned or frozen, the enemy is still just as dead.
Ignore the bad results. Sometimes when you try to make a pebble glow brightly, it instead creates darkness. No worries; if you cast the same spell a bunch of times, you can throw away the "darkness stones," and hang on to the glow stones you made. Or, in the case of a punctured tire, don't fix just one - try to fix a whole pile, and sell the ones you fixed. And when you need to inflate it, a spell that removes all the air from the tire is easy to revert until you get the spell that fills it up.
Make magical items. Sure, sometimes your spell makes a potion of healing and sometimes it makes a potion of harming, but you can test the result, and people will buy both.
Use spells that either work or fizzle. Trying to make something do something it's not doing - a person fly, a dog speak English, a cat obey - will either work, or do the opposite... which is nothing at all. Sure, you're going to have to cast spells more than once, but you'll eventually get the job done.
If you want to cause damage, that's easy; if you want to be constructive, that's a little harder, but carefully choosing what your spell does will ensure that after enough attempts, your spell will eventually work as intended.
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So, basically, just p-value fishing :)
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– vsz
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Is "freezing my enemy" the opposite of "burning my enemy", or is it "freezing myself"?
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– AmiralPatate
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@AmiralPatate I guess it depends on exactly how opposite it is. "Sometimes has the opposite effect", or "sometimes does the literal exact opposite"? Is "over there"'s opposite "over here", or "the same distance on the other side of me"? Either way, of course, a little experimentation will show the right spells to use.
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So, basically, just p-value fishing :)
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– vsz
17 hours ago
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Is "freezing my enemy" the opposite of "burning my enemy", or is it "freezing myself"?
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– AmiralPatate
11 hours ago
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@AmiralPatate I guess it depends on exactly how opposite it is. "Sometimes has the opposite effect", or "sometimes does the literal exact opposite"? Is "over there"'s opposite "over here", or "the same distance on the other side of me"? Either way, of course, a little experimentation will show the right spells to use.
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– ArmanX
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So, basically, just p-value fishing :)
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– vsz
17 hours ago
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So, basically, just p-value fishing :)
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– vsz
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Is "freezing my enemy" the opposite of "burning my enemy", or is it "freezing myself"?
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– AmiralPatate
11 hours ago
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Is "freezing my enemy" the opposite of "burning my enemy", or is it "freezing myself"?
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– AmiralPatate
11 hours ago
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@AmiralPatate I guess it depends on exactly how opposite it is. "Sometimes has the opposite effect", or "sometimes does the literal exact opposite"? Is "over there"'s opposite "over here", or "the same distance on the other side of me"? Either way, of course, a little experimentation will show the right spells to use.
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– ArmanX
7 hours ago
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@AmiralPatate I guess it depends on exactly how opposite it is. "Sometimes has the opposite effect", or "sometimes does the literal exact opposite"? Is "over there"'s opposite "over here", or "the same distance on the other side of me"? Either way, of course, a little experimentation will show the right spells to use.
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Such a magic would be useful for those situations where you are not too concerned with the immediate outcome but rather the consequences of those actions.
Rough example. There is a war. You don't particulary care who wins but you want the ceaseless fighting and killing to end. So you cast your magic on one side to win. Either they win or they lose...but the war is over! (And if the magic did nothing...try again)
You have to trick the magic into giving you the real end result you want.
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Such a magic would be useful for those situations where you are not too concerned with the immediate outcome but rather the consequences of those actions.
Rough example. There is a war. You don't particulary care who wins but you want the ceaseless fighting and killing to end. So you cast your magic on one side to win. Either they win or they lose...but the war is over! (And if the magic did nothing...try again)
You have to trick the magic into giving you the real end result you want.
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– moonheart08
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Such a magic would be useful for those situations where you are not too concerned with the immediate outcome but rather the consequences of those actions.
Rough example. There is a war. You don't particulary care who wins but you want the ceaseless fighting and killing to end. So you cast your magic on one side to win. Either they win or they lose...but the war is over! (And if the magic did nothing...try again)
You have to trick the magic into giving you the real end result you want.
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Such a magic would be useful for those situations where you are not too concerned with the immediate outcome but rather the consequences of those actions.
Rough example. There is a war. You don't particulary care who wins but you want the ceaseless fighting and killing to end. So you cast your magic on one side to win. Either they win or they lose...but the war is over! (And if the magic did nothing...try again)
You have to trick the magic into giving you the real end result you want.
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I suppose this depends if your 'opposite effect' is predictable. In combat you may, for example, try to fireball an enemy, or maybe throw them into the air; you may not necessarily be concerned if they end up frozen or pinned to the ground instead. But you may not want to risk casting the spells if other unpredictable outcomes are possible.
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This exactly. Reminds me of the 'teleport' spell in the original Diablo 1 game. The spell was guaranteed to "get you out of there", but you had no idea where that would be. In theory it could take you to a far worse spot than where you started from. It also reminds me of those sweets in the harry potter universe, I forget what they're called. Seems to me people enjoyed them regardless of the 50% risk you could be tasting earwax next.
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I suppose this depends if your 'opposite effect' is predictable. In combat you may, for example, try to fireball an enemy, or maybe throw them into the air; you may not necessarily be concerned if they end up frozen or pinned to the ground instead. But you may not want to risk casting the spells if other unpredictable outcomes are possible.
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This exactly. Reminds me of the 'teleport' spell in the original Diablo 1 game. The spell was guaranteed to "get you out of there", but you had no idea where that would be. In theory it could take you to a far worse spot than where you started from. It also reminds me of those sweets in the harry potter universe, I forget what they're called. Seems to me people enjoyed them regardless of the 50% risk you could be tasting earwax next.
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I suppose this depends if your 'opposite effect' is predictable. In combat you may, for example, try to fireball an enemy, or maybe throw them into the air; you may not necessarily be concerned if they end up frozen or pinned to the ground instead. But you may not want to risk casting the spells if other unpredictable outcomes are possible.
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I suppose this depends if your 'opposite effect' is predictable. In combat you may, for example, try to fireball an enemy, or maybe throw them into the air; you may not necessarily be concerned if they end up frozen or pinned to the ground instead. But you may not want to risk casting the spells if other unpredictable outcomes are possible.
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This exactly. Reminds me of the 'teleport' spell in the original Diablo 1 game. The spell was guaranteed to "get you out of there", but you had no idea where that would be. In theory it could take you to a far worse spot than where you started from. It also reminds me of those sweets in the harry potter universe, I forget what they're called. Seems to me people enjoyed them regardless of the 50% risk you could be tasting earwax next.
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– Tasos Papastylianou
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This exactly. Reminds me of the 'teleport' spell in the original Diablo 1 game. The spell was guaranteed to "get you out of there", but you had no idea where that would be. In theory it could take you to a far worse spot than where you started from. It also reminds me of those sweets in the harry potter universe, I forget what they're called. Seems to me people enjoyed them regardless of the 50% risk you could be tasting earwax next.
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– Tasos Papastylianou
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– Pilchard123
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This exactly. Reminds me of the 'teleport' spell in the original Diablo 1 game. The spell was guaranteed to "get you out of there", but you had no idea where that would be. In theory it could take you to a far worse spot than where you started from. It also reminds me of those sweets in the harry potter universe, I forget what they're called. Seems to me people enjoyed them regardless of the 50% risk you could be tasting earwax next.
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– Tasos Papastylianou
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This exactly. Reminds me of the 'teleport' spell in the original Diablo 1 game. The spell was guaranteed to "get you out of there", but you had no idea where that would be. In theory it could take you to a far worse spot than where you started from. It also reminds me of those sweets in the harry potter universe, I forget what they're called. Seems to me people enjoyed them regardless of the 50% risk you could be tasting earwax next.
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– Tasos Papastylianou
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Statistically if you run the spell enough times you would eventually get what you want.
- So you cast a spell to heal someone, but they die.
- Then you cast a spell to bring them back to life but their body denigrates.
- Then you cast a spell to turn their dust into the original person.
- And so on.
Of course the down side is that each time you fail you may need a better and better spell (and possibly more energy) to fix the accumulated effects of the failed spells. So in the long run those who can cast better spells and who have more stamina have a better chance of getting what they want.
There is also the case of casting a spell that enables you to do something that was already very improbable.
So I cast a spell to print out the lotto numbers on a piece of paper...
There is a 50% chance that It doesn't work out and the paper disintegrates.
Well that's way better than the one in a billion chance I had before.
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Statistically if you run the spell enough times you would eventually get what you want.
- So you cast a spell to heal someone, but they die.
- Then you cast a spell to bring them back to life but their body denigrates.
- Then you cast a spell to turn their dust into the original person.
- And so on.
Of course the down side is that each time you fail you may need a better and better spell (and possibly more energy) to fix the accumulated effects of the failed spells. So in the long run those who can cast better spells and who have more stamina have a better chance of getting what they want.
There is also the case of casting a spell that enables you to do something that was already very improbable.
So I cast a spell to print out the lotto numbers on a piece of paper...
There is a 50% chance that It doesn't work out and the paper disintegrates.
Well that's way better than the one in a billion chance I had before.
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Statistically if you run the spell enough times you would eventually get what you want.
- So you cast a spell to heal someone, but they die.
- Then you cast a spell to bring them back to life but their body denigrates.
- Then you cast a spell to turn their dust into the original person.
- And so on.
Of course the down side is that each time you fail you may need a better and better spell (and possibly more energy) to fix the accumulated effects of the failed spells. So in the long run those who can cast better spells and who have more stamina have a better chance of getting what they want.
There is also the case of casting a spell that enables you to do something that was already very improbable.
So I cast a spell to print out the lotto numbers on a piece of paper...
There is a 50% chance that It doesn't work out and the paper disintegrates.
Well that's way better than the one in a billion chance I had before.
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Statistically if you run the spell enough times you would eventually get what you want.
- So you cast a spell to heal someone, but they die.
- Then you cast a spell to bring them back to life but their body denigrates.
- Then you cast a spell to turn their dust into the original person.
- And so on.
Of course the down side is that each time you fail you may need a better and better spell (and possibly more energy) to fix the accumulated effects of the failed spells. So in the long run those who can cast better spells and who have more stamina have a better chance of getting what they want.
There is also the case of casting a spell that enables you to do something that was already very improbable.
So I cast a spell to print out the lotto numbers on a piece of paper...
There is a 50% chance that It doesn't work out and the paper disintegrates.
Well that's way better than the one in a billion chance I had before.
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When it comes to effects whose opposites are also useful, it strongly depends on what "opposite" means when it comes to an effect. Hopefully it's not some kind of pseudo-intelligent monkey paw type of opposite.
For example, if I cast a spell to induce current in a wire, is the opposite effect to induce an opposite current from what I want? If so, we just add a rectifier to the circuit, so the output current is always the same.
We could also generate power pneumatically by casting a spell to double the pressure inside an air tank. If this tank has one-way check valves (i.e. a rectifier), we can control the flow of air and use that to spin turbines.
It's even possible to build rotational rectifiers, so you could spin something with magic and have the output always be the same direction. Or magically kick a pendulum hooked up to an escapement.
If any of these work, congratulations, you have infinite free energy and with that you can develop technology that is distinguishable from magic by being actually reliable.
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When it comes to effects whose opposites are also useful, it strongly depends on what "opposite" means when it comes to an effect. Hopefully it's not some kind of pseudo-intelligent monkey paw type of opposite.
For example, if I cast a spell to induce current in a wire, is the opposite effect to induce an opposite current from what I want? If so, we just add a rectifier to the circuit, so the output current is always the same.
We could also generate power pneumatically by casting a spell to double the pressure inside an air tank. If this tank has one-way check valves (i.e. a rectifier), we can control the flow of air and use that to spin turbines.
It's even possible to build rotational rectifiers, so you could spin something with magic and have the output always be the same direction. Or magically kick a pendulum hooked up to an escapement.
If any of these work, congratulations, you have infinite free energy and with that you can develop technology that is distinguishable from magic by being actually reliable.
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When it comes to effects whose opposites are also useful, it strongly depends on what "opposite" means when it comes to an effect. Hopefully it's not some kind of pseudo-intelligent monkey paw type of opposite.
For example, if I cast a spell to induce current in a wire, is the opposite effect to induce an opposite current from what I want? If so, we just add a rectifier to the circuit, so the output current is always the same.
We could also generate power pneumatically by casting a spell to double the pressure inside an air tank. If this tank has one-way check valves (i.e. a rectifier), we can control the flow of air and use that to spin turbines.
It's even possible to build rotational rectifiers, so you could spin something with magic and have the output always be the same direction. Or magically kick a pendulum hooked up to an escapement.
If any of these work, congratulations, you have infinite free energy and with that you can develop technology that is distinguishable from magic by being actually reliable.
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When it comes to effects whose opposites are also useful, it strongly depends on what "opposite" means when it comes to an effect. Hopefully it's not some kind of pseudo-intelligent monkey paw type of opposite.
For example, if I cast a spell to induce current in a wire, is the opposite effect to induce an opposite current from what I want? If so, we just add a rectifier to the circuit, so the output current is always the same.
We could also generate power pneumatically by casting a spell to double the pressure inside an air tank. If this tank has one-way check valves (i.e. a rectifier), we can control the flow of air and use that to spin turbines.
It's even possible to build rotational rectifiers, so you could spin something with magic and have the output always be the same direction. Or magically kick a pendulum hooked up to an escapement.
If any of these work, congratulations, you have infinite free energy and with that you can develop technology that is distinguishable from magic by being actually reliable.
answered 21 hours ago
KyleKyle
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Sometimes a simple corollary is the most efficient way to answer a question:
People undergo surgery to fix something. Sometimes it kills them.
Surgery is a $21 billion dollar industry
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true, but the chances aren't 50:50 while the question specifically states that both outcomes are equally likely.
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– Tom
21 hours ago
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@Tom : but there are many illnesses (and surgeries) where the chance to survive is less than 50%. In such cases the spell will improve the odds.
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– vsz
20 hours ago
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To add to this, I recently refreshed on CPR training. One of the things they repeat, to drive the point home is "Don't worry about breaking bones or hurting them. you can't make things worse" While you could argue that a stopped heart + broken ribs is worse than just the former, that is not the concern if they'll be dead either way. Better to try and keep them alive, instead of worrying about something so unimportant as an injury.
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– Baldrickk
17 hours ago
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@Baldrickk well if your course was well done, you understand that it's "a stopped heart someone kept mechanically beating to prevent the advancement of the clock of death and brain damage + broken ribs vs a stopped heart, brain and neurological damage as time goes by"..... so it's not really the same here, imho.... (but I still get your point :) )
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– Patrice
14 hours ago
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@Patrice yes, they did go through that, they also went over the stats of how many heart attack victims who were alive when the ambulance was called, are not when it arrives - without CPR, it's a tiny number. At this point, we may as well just compare "dead" to "maybe not dead"
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– Baldrickk
10 hours ago
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Sometimes a simple corollary is the most efficient way to answer a question:
People undergo surgery to fix something. Sometimes it kills them.
Surgery is a $21 billion dollar industry
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true, but the chances aren't 50:50 while the question specifically states that both outcomes are equally likely.
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– Tom
21 hours ago
3
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@Tom : but there are many illnesses (and surgeries) where the chance to survive is less than 50%. In such cases the spell will improve the odds.
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– vsz
20 hours ago
2
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To add to this, I recently refreshed on CPR training. One of the things they repeat, to drive the point home is "Don't worry about breaking bones or hurting them. you can't make things worse" While you could argue that a stopped heart + broken ribs is worse than just the former, that is not the concern if they'll be dead either way. Better to try and keep them alive, instead of worrying about something so unimportant as an injury.
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– Baldrickk
17 hours ago
1
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@Baldrickk well if your course was well done, you understand that it's "a stopped heart someone kept mechanically beating to prevent the advancement of the clock of death and brain damage + broken ribs vs a stopped heart, brain and neurological damage as time goes by"..... so it's not really the same here, imho.... (but I still get your point :) )
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– Patrice
14 hours ago
1
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@Patrice yes, they did go through that, they also went over the stats of how many heart attack victims who were alive when the ambulance was called, are not when it arrives - without CPR, it's a tiny number. At this point, we may as well just compare "dead" to "maybe not dead"
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– Baldrickk
10 hours ago
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Sometimes a simple corollary is the most efficient way to answer a question:
People undergo surgery to fix something. Sometimes it kills them.
Surgery is a $21 billion dollar industry
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Sometimes a simple corollary is the most efficient way to answer a question:
People undergo surgery to fix something. Sometimes it kills them.
Surgery is a $21 billion dollar industry
answered yesterday
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true, but the chances aren't 50:50 while the question specifically states that both outcomes are equally likely.
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– Tom
21 hours ago
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@Tom : but there are many illnesses (and surgeries) where the chance to survive is less than 50%. In such cases the spell will improve the odds.
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– vsz
20 hours ago
2
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To add to this, I recently refreshed on CPR training. One of the things they repeat, to drive the point home is "Don't worry about breaking bones or hurting them. you can't make things worse" While you could argue that a stopped heart + broken ribs is worse than just the former, that is not the concern if they'll be dead either way. Better to try and keep them alive, instead of worrying about something so unimportant as an injury.
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– Baldrickk
17 hours ago
1
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@Baldrickk well if your course was well done, you understand that it's "a stopped heart someone kept mechanically beating to prevent the advancement of the clock of death and brain damage + broken ribs vs a stopped heart, brain and neurological damage as time goes by"..... so it's not really the same here, imho.... (but I still get your point :) )
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– Patrice
14 hours ago
1
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@Patrice yes, they did go through that, they also went over the stats of how many heart attack victims who were alive when the ambulance was called, are not when it arrives - without CPR, it's a tiny number. At this point, we may as well just compare "dead" to "maybe not dead"
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– Baldrickk
10 hours ago
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true, but the chances aren't 50:50 while the question specifically states that both outcomes are equally likely.
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– Tom
21 hours ago
3
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@Tom : but there are many illnesses (and surgeries) where the chance to survive is less than 50%. In such cases the spell will improve the odds.
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– vsz
20 hours ago
2
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To add to this, I recently refreshed on CPR training. One of the things they repeat, to drive the point home is "Don't worry about breaking bones or hurting them. you can't make things worse" While you could argue that a stopped heart + broken ribs is worse than just the former, that is not the concern if they'll be dead either way. Better to try and keep them alive, instead of worrying about something so unimportant as an injury.
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– Baldrickk
17 hours ago
1
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@Baldrickk well if your course was well done, you understand that it's "a stopped heart someone kept mechanically beating to prevent the advancement of the clock of death and brain damage + broken ribs vs a stopped heart, brain and neurological damage as time goes by"..... so it's not really the same here, imho.... (but I still get your point :) )
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– Patrice
14 hours ago
1
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@Patrice yes, they did go through that, they also went over the stats of how many heart attack victims who were alive when the ambulance was called, are not when it arrives - without CPR, it's a tiny number. At this point, we may as well just compare "dead" to "maybe not dead"
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– Baldrickk
10 hours ago
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true, but the chances aren't 50:50 while the question specifically states that both outcomes are equally likely.
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– Tom
21 hours ago
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true, but the chances aren't 50:50 while the question specifically states that both outcomes are equally likely.
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– Tom
21 hours ago
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@Tom : but there are many illnesses (and surgeries) where the chance to survive is less than 50%. In such cases the spell will improve the odds.
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– vsz
20 hours ago
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@Tom : but there are many illnesses (and surgeries) where the chance to survive is less than 50%. In such cases the spell will improve the odds.
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– vsz
20 hours ago
2
2
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To add to this, I recently refreshed on CPR training. One of the things they repeat, to drive the point home is "Don't worry about breaking bones or hurting them. you can't make things worse" While you could argue that a stopped heart + broken ribs is worse than just the former, that is not the concern if they'll be dead either way. Better to try and keep them alive, instead of worrying about something so unimportant as an injury.
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– Baldrickk
17 hours ago
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To add to this, I recently refreshed on CPR training. One of the things they repeat, to drive the point home is "Don't worry about breaking bones or hurting them. you can't make things worse" While you could argue that a stopped heart + broken ribs is worse than just the former, that is not the concern if they'll be dead either way. Better to try and keep them alive, instead of worrying about something so unimportant as an injury.
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– Baldrickk
17 hours ago
1
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@Baldrickk well if your course was well done, you understand that it's "a stopped heart someone kept mechanically beating to prevent the advancement of the clock of death and brain damage + broken ribs vs a stopped heart, brain and neurological damage as time goes by"..... so it's not really the same here, imho.... (but I still get your point :) )
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– Patrice
14 hours ago
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@Baldrickk well if your course was well done, you understand that it's "a stopped heart someone kept mechanically beating to prevent the advancement of the clock of death and brain damage + broken ribs vs a stopped heart, brain and neurological damage as time goes by"..... so it's not really the same here, imho.... (but I still get your point :) )
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– Patrice
14 hours ago
1
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@Patrice yes, they did go through that, they also went over the stats of how many heart attack victims who were alive when the ambulance was called, are not when it arrives - without CPR, it's a tiny number. At this point, we may as well just compare "dead" to "maybe not dead"
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– Baldrickk
10 hours ago
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@Patrice yes, they did go through that, they also went over the stats of how many heart attack victims who were alive when the ambulance was called, are not when it arrives - without CPR, it's a tiny number. At this point, we may as well just compare "dead" to "maybe not dead"
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– Baldrickk
10 hours ago
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Your magic is statistically useless on the individual level.
If I have a band of soldiers, all wounded badly, then I don't have a fighting unit. If I do nothing, then over time they will either heal or die. In fact, until the invention of antibiotics and other modern medicine, the chance to die from a serious wound was pretty much 50:50 anyway.
Your magic basically just accelerates this process. But that means I get a fighting unit back! It is now half the original size, but that half is healed and ready to fight. Very useful!
So on the level of groups or collections, your magic is far from useless.
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I don't see why your example is useless to the individual. Every wounded soldier can recover completely or die quickly, either of which is probably preferable to a slow, painful death from a severe battle wound. There will be individuals with a <50% chance of survival, so the magic is clearly of benefit to them as it improves their individual odds of survival.
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– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
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Your magic is statistically useless on the individual level.
If I have a band of soldiers, all wounded badly, then I don't have a fighting unit. If I do nothing, then over time they will either heal or die. In fact, until the invention of antibiotics and other modern medicine, the chance to die from a serious wound was pretty much 50:50 anyway.
Your magic basically just accelerates this process. But that means I get a fighting unit back! It is now half the original size, but that half is healed and ready to fight. Very useful!
So on the level of groups or collections, your magic is far from useless.
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I don't see why your example is useless to the individual. Every wounded soldier can recover completely or die quickly, either of which is probably preferable to a slow, painful death from a severe battle wound. There will be individuals with a <50% chance of survival, so the magic is clearly of benefit to them as it improves their individual odds of survival.
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– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
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Your magic is statistically useless on the individual level.
If I have a band of soldiers, all wounded badly, then I don't have a fighting unit. If I do nothing, then over time they will either heal or die. In fact, until the invention of antibiotics and other modern medicine, the chance to die from a serious wound was pretty much 50:50 anyway.
Your magic basically just accelerates this process. But that means I get a fighting unit back! It is now half the original size, but that half is healed and ready to fight. Very useful!
So on the level of groups or collections, your magic is far from useless.
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Your magic is statistically useless on the individual level.
If I have a band of soldiers, all wounded badly, then I don't have a fighting unit. If I do nothing, then over time they will either heal or die. In fact, until the invention of antibiotics and other modern medicine, the chance to die from a serious wound was pretty much 50:50 anyway.
Your magic basically just accelerates this process. But that means I get a fighting unit back! It is now half the original size, but that half is healed and ready to fight. Very useful!
So on the level of groups or collections, your magic is far from useless.
answered 21 hours ago
TomTom
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I don't see why your example is useless to the individual. Every wounded soldier can recover completely or die quickly, either of which is probably preferable to a slow, painful death from a severe battle wound. There will be individuals with a <50% chance of survival, so the magic is clearly of benefit to them as it improves their individual odds of survival.
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– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
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I don't see why your example is useless to the individual. Every wounded soldier can recover completely or die quickly, either of which is probably preferable to a slow, painful death from a severe battle wound. There will be individuals with a <50% chance of survival, so the magic is clearly of benefit to them as it improves their individual odds of survival.
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– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
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I don't see why your example is useless to the individual. Every wounded soldier can recover completely or die quickly, either of which is probably preferable to a slow, painful death from a severe battle wound. There will be individuals with a <50% chance of survival, so the magic is clearly of benefit to them as it improves their individual odds of survival.
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– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
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I don't see why your example is useless to the individual. Every wounded soldier can recover completely or die quickly, either of which is probably preferable to a slow, painful death from a severe battle wound. There will be individuals with a <50% chance of survival, so the magic is clearly of benefit to them as it improves their individual odds of survival.
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– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
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Use it as a weapon. Your mages go into battle and heal the enemy. Fix their high blood pressure. Congenitive heart defect or heart murmur? Cure their gout. If it succeeds the enemy isn't really better off, you aren't reviving a fallen warrior. You may also be able to cast it again until you do cause catastrophic or deadly injuries. If it fails, one less enemy. With a fifty percent success rate your mages will be racking up kills fairly quickly.
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yep If you can cast them in quick succession, just do so until the person has something horrible happen to him - it doesn't matter that you cured his acne on the way to exploding his cranium :-)
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– Orangesandlemons
8 hours ago
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As far as I've read it this doesnt seem to work. The opposite of healing a fleshwound is creating another fleshwound, not insta-murder. If what you said was true the question would have mentioned "you either mend the hole in your wheel if successful or your entire car explodes".
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– Demigan
4 hours ago
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@Demigan you were right. addressed
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– bruglesco
45 mins ago
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Use it as a weapon. Your mages go into battle and heal the enemy. Fix their high blood pressure. Congenitive heart defect or heart murmur? Cure their gout. If it succeeds the enemy isn't really better off, you aren't reviving a fallen warrior. You may also be able to cast it again until you do cause catastrophic or deadly injuries. If it fails, one less enemy. With a fifty percent success rate your mages will be racking up kills fairly quickly.
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yep If you can cast them in quick succession, just do so until the person has something horrible happen to him - it doesn't matter that you cured his acne on the way to exploding his cranium :-)
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– Orangesandlemons
8 hours ago
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As far as I've read it this doesnt seem to work. The opposite of healing a fleshwound is creating another fleshwound, not insta-murder. If what you said was true the question would have mentioned "you either mend the hole in your wheel if successful or your entire car explodes".
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– Demigan
4 hours ago
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@Demigan you were right. addressed
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– bruglesco
45 mins ago
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Use it as a weapon. Your mages go into battle and heal the enemy. Fix their high blood pressure. Congenitive heart defect or heart murmur? Cure their gout. If it succeeds the enemy isn't really better off, you aren't reviving a fallen warrior. You may also be able to cast it again until you do cause catastrophic or deadly injuries. If it fails, one less enemy. With a fifty percent success rate your mages will be racking up kills fairly quickly.
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Use it as a weapon. Your mages go into battle and heal the enemy. Fix their high blood pressure. Congenitive heart defect or heart murmur? Cure their gout. If it succeeds the enemy isn't really better off, you aren't reviving a fallen warrior. You may also be able to cast it again until you do cause catastrophic or deadly injuries. If it fails, one less enemy. With a fifty percent success rate your mages will be racking up kills fairly quickly.
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answered 22 hours ago
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yep If you can cast them in quick succession, just do so until the person has something horrible happen to him - it doesn't matter that you cured his acne on the way to exploding his cranium :-)
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– Orangesandlemons
8 hours ago
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As far as I've read it this doesnt seem to work. The opposite of healing a fleshwound is creating another fleshwound, not insta-murder. If what you said was true the question would have mentioned "you either mend the hole in your wheel if successful or your entire car explodes".
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– Demigan
4 hours ago
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@Demigan you were right. addressed
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– bruglesco
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yep If you can cast them in quick succession, just do so until the person has something horrible happen to him - it doesn't matter that you cured his acne on the way to exploding his cranium :-)
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– Orangesandlemons
8 hours ago
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As far as I've read it this doesnt seem to work. The opposite of healing a fleshwound is creating another fleshwound, not insta-murder. If what you said was true the question would have mentioned "you either mend the hole in your wheel if successful or your entire car explodes".
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– Demigan
4 hours ago
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@Demigan you were right. addressed
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– bruglesco
45 mins ago
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yep If you can cast them in quick succession, just do so until the person has something horrible happen to him - it doesn't matter that you cured his acne on the way to exploding his cranium :-)
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– Orangesandlemons
8 hours ago
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yep If you can cast them in quick succession, just do so until the person has something horrible happen to him - it doesn't matter that you cured his acne on the way to exploding his cranium :-)
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– Orangesandlemons
8 hours ago
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As far as I've read it this doesnt seem to work. The opposite of healing a fleshwound is creating another fleshwound, not insta-murder. If what you said was true the question would have mentioned "you either mend the hole in your wheel if successful or your entire car explodes".
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– Demigan
4 hours ago
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As far as I've read it this doesnt seem to work. The opposite of healing a fleshwound is creating another fleshwound, not insta-murder. If what you said was true the question would have mentioned "you either mend the hole in your wheel if successful or your entire car explodes".
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– Demigan
4 hours ago
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@Demigan you were right. addressed
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– bruglesco
45 mins ago
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@Demigan you were right. addressed
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– bruglesco
45 mins ago
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I'll not add more of the "use chance calculations" answer but provide a surprisingly still unique view on this subject.
Your magic is what I think of as "aware magic". If you try to mend a hole in your Tire the magic (or the user of the magic) is aware of what a hole is, what a wheel is and how it needs to be to be "repaired", or how to punch a hole in another wheel instead of in the car door, the asphalt or the person casting the spell. So if you are aware of what the magic or the user thinks is the opposite you can use it.
Example: you fill two large canisters with gas or liquid and connect them, put a dynamo in the middle and a release valve. Make the gas/liquid something valuable.
Now you cast a spell on the contents of one canister to double its contents, increasing the pressure. If it succeeds then the pressure drives the dynamo as the pressure pushes the opposing piston. If it failes it will halve the contents and the opposing canister will now have its contents flow to the other side. No matter which outcome you get you get electricity, and probability says that because the gas creates an equilibrium, you are more likely to create more gas in the long run.
If you get more gas and the pressure gets too high the release valve can be used and now you have created both energy and a valuable material, which you can store, sell or use. Sometimes chance will make you halve the gas content so much that you have to refill it, but with the stored gas from the times you generated too much you should be able to do this virtually forever.
Another option: nuclear waste disposal. You cast a spell to rejuvinate the waste into useable nuclear fuel. If successful you need to buy less of the expensive nuclear fuel or get rid of it.
If unsuccessful it depends on the outcome:
It disappears. Yey! No disposal and a lot of concerns put to rest.
It doubles. Yey! Double the nuclear waste means double the chance to purify it (even better if your spell can target the heap and have 50% chance success each time). This means absolute infinite energy for everyone, assuming magic avoids the Newtons law pitfall (which it usually does).
It becomes extremely radioactive. Well either you can use that for the nuclear reactor, or if he was alive Ghandi would know how to use that.
https://youtu.be/lQBV3-kwh5k
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I'll not add more of the "use chance calculations" answer but provide a surprisingly still unique view on this subject.
Your magic is what I think of as "aware magic". If you try to mend a hole in your Tire the magic (or the user of the magic) is aware of what a hole is, what a wheel is and how it needs to be to be "repaired", or how to punch a hole in another wheel instead of in the car door, the asphalt or the person casting the spell. So if you are aware of what the magic or the user thinks is the opposite you can use it.
Example: you fill two large canisters with gas or liquid and connect them, put a dynamo in the middle and a release valve. Make the gas/liquid something valuable.
Now you cast a spell on the contents of one canister to double its contents, increasing the pressure. If it succeeds then the pressure drives the dynamo as the pressure pushes the opposing piston. If it failes it will halve the contents and the opposing canister will now have its contents flow to the other side. No matter which outcome you get you get electricity, and probability says that because the gas creates an equilibrium, you are more likely to create more gas in the long run.
If you get more gas and the pressure gets too high the release valve can be used and now you have created both energy and a valuable material, which you can store, sell or use. Sometimes chance will make you halve the gas content so much that you have to refill it, but with the stored gas from the times you generated too much you should be able to do this virtually forever.
Another option: nuclear waste disposal. You cast a spell to rejuvinate the waste into useable nuclear fuel. If successful you need to buy less of the expensive nuclear fuel or get rid of it.
If unsuccessful it depends on the outcome:
It disappears. Yey! No disposal and a lot of concerns put to rest.
It doubles. Yey! Double the nuclear waste means double the chance to purify it (even better if your spell can target the heap and have 50% chance success each time). This means absolute infinite energy for everyone, assuming magic avoids the Newtons law pitfall (which it usually does).
It becomes extremely radioactive. Well either you can use that for the nuclear reactor, or if he was alive Ghandi would know how to use that.
https://youtu.be/lQBV3-kwh5k
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add a comment |
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I'll not add more of the "use chance calculations" answer but provide a surprisingly still unique view on this subject.
Your magic is what I think of as "aware magic". If you try to mend a hole in your Tire the magic (or the user of the magic) is aware of what a hole is, what a wheel is and how it needs to be to be "repaired", or how to punch a hole in another wheel instead of in the car door, the asphalt or the person casting the spell. So if you are aware of what the magic or the user thinks is the opposite you can use it.
Example: you fill two large canisters with gas or liquid and connect them, put a dynamo in the middle and a release valve. Make the gas/liquid something valuable.
Now you cast a spell on the contents of one canister to double its contents, increasing the pressure. If it succeeds then the pressure drives the dynamo as the pressure pushes the opposing piston. If it failes it will halve the contents and the opposing canister will now have its contents flow to the other side. No matter which outcome you get you get electricity, and probability says that because the gas creates an equilibrium, you are more likely to create more gas in the long run.
If you get more gas and the pressure gets too high the release valve can be used and now you have created both energy and a valuable material, which you can store, sell or use. Sometimes chance will make you halve the gas content so much that you have to refill it, but with the stored gas from the times you generated too much you should be able to do this virtually forever.
Another option: nuclear waste disposal. You cast a spell to rejuvinate the waste into useable nuclear fuel. If successful you need to buy less of the expensive nuclear fuel or get rid of it.
If unsuccessful it depends on the outcome:
It disappears. Yey! No disposal and a lot of concerns put to rest.
It doubles. Yey! Double the nuclear waste means double the chance to purify it (even better if your spell can target the heap and have 50% chance success each time). This means absolute infinite energy for everyone, assuming magic avoids the Newtons law pitfall (which it usually does).
It becomes extremely radioactive. Well either you can use that for the nuclear reactor, or if he was alive Ghandi would know how to use that.
https://youtu.be/lQBV3-kwh5k
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I'll not add more of the "use chance calculations" answer but provide a surprisingly still unique view on this subject.
Your magic is what I think of as "aware magic". If you try to mend a hole in your Tire the magic (or the user of the magic) is aware of what a hole is, what a wheel is and how it needs to be to be "repaired", or how to punch a hole in another wheel instead of in the car door, the asphalt or the person casting the spell. So if you are aware of what the magic or the user thinks is the opposite you can use it.
Example: you fill two large canisters with gas or liquid and connect them, put a dynamo in the middle and a release valve. Make the gas/liquid something valuable.
Now you cast a spell on the contents of one canister to double its contents, increasing the pressure. If it succeeds then the pressure drives the dynamo as the pressure pushes the opposing piston. If it failes it will halve the contents and the opposing canister will now have its contents flow to the other side. No matter which outcome you get you get electricity, and probability says that because the gas creates an equilibrium, you are more likely to create more gas in the long run.
If you get more gas and the pressure gets too high the release valve can be used and now you have created both energy and a valuable material, which you can store, sell or use. Sometimes chance will make you halve the gas content so much that you have to refill it, but with the stored gas from the times you generated too much you should be able to do this virtually forever.
Another option: nuclear waste disposal. You cast a spell to rejuvinate the waste into useable nuclear fuel. If successful you need to buy less of the expensive nuclear fuel or get rid of it.
If unsuccessful it depends on the outcome:
It disappears. Yey! No disposal and a lot of concerns put to rest.
It doubles. Yey! Double the nuclear waste means double the chance to purify it (even better if your spell can target the heap and have 50% chance success each time). This means absolute infinite energy for everyone, assuming magic avoids the Newtons law pitfall (which it usually does).
It becomes extremely radioactive. Well either you can use that for the nuclear reactor, or if he was alive Ghandi would know how to use that.
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Unreliable Magic worth it as long as the risk, production and cost is under control within a sustainable amount.
The sustainability can be subjective. Putting those environmental drawback aside. Nuclear power having risk of leakage and it is costly compare to gas and oil, but the power produced is far greater in 10x.
Another example with unreliable magic in some other culture, Strait_Jacket treats Unreliable Magic as a kind of pollution.
Due to an invisible contaminant called the "malediction", or simply the "curse", people who use magic too often are at risk in transforming into "Demons," or horrific, malevolent abominations of nature that become immune to ordinary weapons.
This is sustainable as long as the damage comes under control with a special mess cleaning up organization. One of the scene, the surgeon having magic overdosed in the operation theatre while using magic like x-ray. Potentially the x-ray benefit produces a lot more than the risk of having the additional bit of pollution.
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Welcome Kelvin Ng, whilst you've given an interesting starting point, this doesn't answer the question. You can edit your answer to change it though.
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Unreliable Magic worth it as long as the risk, production and cost is under control within a sustainable amount.
The sustainability can be subjective. Putting those environmental drawback aside. Nuclear power having risk of leakage and it is costly compare to gas and oil, but the power produced is far greater in 10x.
Another example with unreliable magic in some other culture, Strait_Jacket treats Unreliable Magic as a kind of pollution.
Due to an invisible contaminant called the "malediction", or simply the "curse", people who use magic too often are at risk in transforming into "Demons," or horrific, malevolent abominations of nature that become immune to ordinary weapons.
This is sustainable as long as the damage comes under control with a special mess cleaning up organization. One of the scene, the surgeon having magic overdosed in the operation theatre while using magic like x-ray. Potentially the x-ray benefit produces a lot more than the risk of having the additional bit of pollution.
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Welcome Kelvin Ng, whilst you've given an interesting starting point, this doesn't answer the question. You can edit your answer to change it though.
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– Agrajag
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This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
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Unreliable Magic worth it as long as the risk, production and cost is under control within a sustainable amount.
The sustainability can be subjective. Putting those environmental drawback aside. Nuclear power having risk of leakage and it is costly compare to gas and oil, but the power produced is far greater in 10x.
Another example with unreliable magic in some other culture, Strait_Jacket treats Unreliable Magic as a kind of pollution.
Due to an invisible contaminant called the "malediction", or simply the "curse", people who use magic too often are at risk in transforming into "Demons," or horrific, malevolent abominations of nature that become immune to ordinary weapons.
This is sustainable as long as the damage comes under control with a special mess cleaning up organization. One of the scene, the surgeon having magic overdosed in the operation theatre while using magic like x-ray. Potentially the x-ray benefit produces a lot more than the risk of having the additional bit of pollution.
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Unreliable Magic worth it as long as the risk, production and cost is under control within a sustainable amount.
The sustainability can be subjective. Putting those environmental drawback aside. Nuclear power having risk of leakage and it is costly compare to gas and oil, but the power produced is far greater in 10x.
Another example with unreliable magic in some other culture, Strait_Jacket treats Unreliable Magic as a kind of pollution.
Due to an invisible contaminant called the "malediction", or simply the "curse", people who use magic too often are at risk in transforming into "Demons," or horrific, malevolent abominations of nature that become immune to ordinary weapons.
This is sustainable as long as the damage comes under control with a special mess cleaning up organization. One of the scene, the surgeon having magic overdosed in the operation theatre while using magic like x-ray. Potentially the x-ray benefit produces a lot more than the risk of having the additional bit of pollution.
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Welcome Kelvin Ng, whilst you've given an interesting starting point, this doesn't answer the question. You can edit your answer to change it though.
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Welcome Kelvin Ng, whilst you've given an interesting starting point, this doesn't answer the question. You can edit your answer to change it though.
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Welcome Kelvin Ng, whilst you've given an interesting starting point, this doesn't answer the question. You can edit your answer to change it though.
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Welcome Kelvin Ng, whilst you've given an interesting starting point, this doesn't answer the question. You can edit your answer to change it though.
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In the Coldfire trilogy, by Celia S. Friedman, magic is very wild. It can manifest just by a person untamed thoughts/fears, yet it can be controlled by very talented people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldfire_Trilogy
One of these people is Gerald Tarrant, who is capable of controlling it beyond what anyone believes is possible. He can do it because of his very powerful mind, among other reasons.
This isn't an exact 1:1 relationship with your world, but there's a lot of similarities. With about 1000 pages to each book, you should run into a lot of the same problems as your world. Even if not, it's a very good series and might give you some ideas anyway.
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In the Coldfire trilogy, by Celia S. Friedman, magic is very wild. It can manifest just by a person untamed thoughts/fears, yet it can be controlled by very talented people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldfire_Trilogy
One of these people is Gerald Tarrant, who is capable of controlling it beyond what anyone believes is possible. He can do it because of his very powerful mind, among other reasons.
This isn't an exact 1:1 relationship with your world, but there's a lot of similarities. With about 1000 pages to each book, you should run into a lot of the same problems as your world. Even if not, it's a very good series and might give you some ideas anyway.
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In the Coldfire trilogy, by Celia S. Friedman, magic is very wild. It can manifest just by a person untamed thoughts/fears, yet it can be controlled by very talented people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldfire_Trilogy
One of these people is Gerald Tarrant, who is capable of controlling it beyond what anyone believes is possible. He can do it because of his very powerful mind, among other reasons.
This isn't an exact 1:1 relationship with your world, but there's a lot of similarities. With about 1000 pages to each book, you should run into a lot of the same problems as your world. Even if not, it's a very good series and might give you some ideas anyway.
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In the Coldfire trilogy, by Celia S. Friedman, magic is very wild. It can manifest just by a person untamed thoughts/fears, yet it can be controlled by very talented people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldfire_Trilogy
One of these people is Gerald Tarrant, who is capable of controlling it beyond what anyone believes is possible. He can do it because of his very powerful mind, among other reasons.
This isn't an exact 1:1 relationship with your world, but there's a lot of similarities. With about 1000 pages to each book, you should run into a lot of the same problems as your world. Even if not, it's a very good series and might give you some ideas anyway.
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The problem here is that many of the options require knowledge of what the unwanted effect would be. The example of the tyre causing another tyre to be punctured is fine, but what if the unwanted result is to kill you? Is that quantity/effect a definitely knowable fact or is the unwanted effect of unrealiable magic often unrelated to the intended effect?
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That's fine and well, but it doesn't negate my point, merely provides justification for some of the side effects. Then again, in a way you're saying that it might actually be a lot more controllable than you originally suggest; If you knew I wanted a pink elephant and you say to me "don't think of a pink elephant" and then I cast a spell to have a beer, what you're implying is that I would get a pink elephant, which is fine. I hacked the magic.
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The problem I see is that you're falling foul of the coin toss or stopped clock problem: A stopped clock is right twice a day and a coin toss will never come up "burger" (only heads or tails).
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If the magic is such that any magic result might happen but you have a not-insignificant but still less-than-fifty-percent chance of getting what you want, things get interesting. But still, it's just probability. If repairing the tyre could end up destroying the universe, for example...
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The premise you've put forward isn't that magic is unreliable. It sounds like, in your world, magic will either cause the intended effect or cause something even worse. That's not just unreliable, that's unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Unreliable would just mean sometimes the tire gets fixed and other times the magic does nothing, right?
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