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I'm sure you've all noticed documents in English from the 1700's often have 'F' where, if written now, there would be an 'S'. You can see what I'm talking about a few times in this example, like at the beginning where it says "Prayers faid" or in the date "Tuefday November 26. 1700."
What's going on with this? When did it start? When did it stop?
18th-century language
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I'm sure you've all noticed documents in English from the 1700's often have 'F' where, if written now, there would be an 'S'. You can see what I'm talking about a few times in this example, like at the beginning where it says "Prayers faid" or in the date "Tuefday November 26. 1700."
What's going on with this? When did it start? When did it stop?
18th-century language
edited Apr 13 at 22:37
Ian Kemp
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asked Apr 12 at 22:22
Ryan_LRyan_L
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it's notf, it's half of German double-s:ß
– Agent_L
Apr 13 at 17:58
1
Also, why is the S in MINUTS upside down?
– Mr Lister
Apr 14 at 11:43
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I'm sure you've all noticed documents in English from the 1700's often have 'F' where, if written now, there would be an 'S'. You can see what I'm talking about a few times in this example, like at the beginning where it says "Prayers faid" or in the date "Tuefday November 26. 1700."
What's going on with this? When did it start? When did it stop?
18th-century language
edited Apr 13 at 22:37
Ian Kemp
1033
asked Apr 12 at 22:22
Ryan_LRyan_L
27126
I'm sure you've all noticed documents in English from the 1700's often have 'F' where, if written now, there would be an 'S'. You can see what I'm talking about a few times in this example, like at the beginning where it says "Prayers faid" or in the date "Tuefday November 26. 1700."
What's going on with this? When did it start? When did it stop?
18th-century language
18th-century language
edited Apr 13 at 22:37
Ian Kemp
1033
asked Apr 12 at 22:22
Ryan_LRyan_L
27126
edited Apr 13 at 22:37
Ian Kemp
1033
asked Apr 12 at 22:22
Ryan_LRyan_L
27126
edited Apr 13 at 22:37
Ian Kemp
1033
edited Apr 13 at 22:37
Ian Kemp
1033
edited Apr 13 at 22:37
Ian Kemp
1033
1033
asked Apr 12 at 22:22
Ryan_LRyan_L
27126
asked Apr 12 at 22:22
Ryan_LRyan_L
27126
asked Apr 12 at 22:22
Ryan_LRyan_L
27126
27126
3
it's notf, it's half of German double-s:ß
– Agent_L
Apr 13 at 17:58
1
Also, why is the S in MINUTS upside down?
– Mr Lister
Apr 14 at 11:43
add a comment |
3
it's notf, it's half of German double-s:ß
– Agent_L
Apr 13 at 17:58
1
Also, why is the S in MINUTS upside down?
– Mr Lister
Apr 14 at 11:43
3
3
it's not
f, it's half of German double-s: ß– Agent_L
Apr 13 at 17:58
it's not
f, it's half of German double-s: ß– Agent_L
Apr 13 at 17:58
1
1
Also, why is the S in MINUTS upside down?
– Mr Lister
Apr 14 at 11:43
Also, why is the S in MINUTS upside down?
– Mr Lister
Apr 14 at 11:43
add a comment |
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There's a typographical distinction between an actual f and the ſ you're referring to in the text. See for instance the difference between 'magiſtrats' and 'behalf' in the second paragraph.
The 'ſ' is a long 's'; the Wikipedia article has a very long section on its history and decline of use.
In general, the long s fell out of use in Roman and italic typefaces in professional printing well before the middle of the 19th century. It rarely appears in good quality London printing after 1800, though it lingers provincially until 1824, and is found in handwriting into the second half of the nineteenth century" being sometimes seen later on in archaic or traditionalist printing such as printed collections of sermons.
See this Old English Alphabet for a more complete list of changes to the alphabet. And this somewhat related Linguistics SE question, with a long answer that explains how 'ſ' was just another way of writing 's' in some circumstances, rather than a letter that corresponded to a different pronunciation.
Other interesting posts courtesy of sumelic:
- Use of “f” instead of “s” in historic, printed English documents
- How exactly was the long S used and why did people stop using it?
edited Apr 13 at 23:36
Laurel
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answered Apr 12 at 22:48
Denis de BernardyDenis de Bernardy
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'The Three Castles' cigarette company used the long s for the first s in castles at least into the 1940s.
– Daniel
Apr 18 at 3:17
add a comment |
It's not an f, it's a long s. It's used in maths to mean integral because one definition of an integral is the summation of a function's values.
answered Apr 14 at 11:01
BlokeDownThePubBlokeDownThePub
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@MarkC.Wallace: The integral symbol in math (∫) orinates from the long s (ſ).
– Wrzlprmft
Apr 14 at 13:42
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There's a typographical distinction between an actual f and the ſ you're referring to in the text. See for instance the difference between 'magiſtrats' and 'behalf' in the second paragraph.
The 'ſ' is a long 's'; the Wikipedia article has a very long section on its history and decline of use.
In general, the long s fell out of use in Roman and italic typefaces in professional printing well before the middle of the 19th century. It rarely appears in good quality London printing after 1800, though it lingers provincially until 1824, and is found in handwriting into the second half of the nineteenth century" being sometimes seen later on in archaic or traditionalist printing such as printed collections of sermons.
See this Old English Alphabet for a more complete list of changes to the alphabet. And this somewhat related Linguistics SE question, with a long answer that explains how 'ſ' was just another way of writing 's' in some circumstances, rather than a letter that corresponded to a different pronunciation.
Other interesting posts courtesy of sumelic:
- Use of “f” instead of “s” in historic, printed English documents
- How exactly was the long S used and why did people stop using it?
edited Apr 13 at 23:36
Laurel
3228
answered Apr 12 at 22:48
Denis de BernardyDenis de Bernardy
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'The Three Castles' cigarette company used the long s for the first s in castles at least into the 1940s.
– Daniel
Apr 18 at 3:17
add a comment |
There's a typographical distinction between an actual f and the ſ you're referring to in the text. See for instance the difference between 'magiſtrats' and 'behalf' in the second paragraph.
The 'ſ' is a long 's'; the Wikipedia article has a very long section on its history and decline of use.
In general, the long s fell out of use in Roman and italic typefaces in professional printing well before the middle of the 19th century. It rarely appears in good quality London printing after 1800, though it lingers provincially until 1824, and is found in handwriting into the second half of the nineteenth century" being sometimes seen later on in archaic or traditionalist printing such as printed collections of sermons.
See this Old English Alphabet for a more complete list of changes to the alphabet. And this somewhat related Linguistics SE question, with a long answer that explains how 'ſ' was just another way of writing 's' in some circumstances, rather than a letter that corresponded to a different pronunciation.
Other interesting posts courtesy of sumelic:
- Use of “f” instead of “s” in historic, printed English documents
- How exactly was the long S used and why did people stop using it?
edited Apr 13 at 23:36
Laurel
3228
answered Apr 12 at 22:48
Denis de BernardyDenis de Bernardy
14.4k24755
'The Three Castles' cigarette company used the long s for the first s in castles at least into the 1940s.
– Daniel
Apr 18 at 3:17
add a comment |
There's a typographical distinction between an actual f and the ſ you're referring to in the text. See for instance the difference between 'magiſtrats' and 'behalf' in the second paragraph.
The 'ſ' is a long 's'; the Wikipedia article has a very long section on its history and decline of use.
In general, the long s fell out of use in Roman and italic typefaces in professional printing well before the middle of the 19th century. It rarely appears in good quality London printing after 1800, though it lingers provincially until 1824, and is found in handwriting into the second half of the nineteenth century" being sometimes seen later on in archaic or traditionalist printing such as printed collections of sermons.
See this Old English Alphabet for a more complete list of changes to the alphabet. And this somewhat related Linguistics SE question, with a long answer that explains how 'ſ' was just another way of writing 's' in some circumstances, rather than a letter that corresponded to a different pronunciation.
Other interesting posts courtesy of sumelic:
- Use of “f” instead of “s” in historic, printed English documents
- How exactly was the long S used and why did people stop using it?
edited Apr 13 at 23:36
Laurel
3228
answered Apr 12 at 22:48
Denis de BernardyDenis de Bernardy
14.4k24755
There's a typographical distinction between an actual f and the ſ you're referring to in the text. See for instance the difference between 'magiſtrats' and 'behalf' in the second paragraph.
The 'ſ' is a long 's'; the Wikipedia article has a very long section on its history and decline of use.
In general, the long s fell out of use in Roman and italic typefaces in professional printing well before the middle of the 19th century. It rarely appears in good quality London printing after 1800, though it lingers provincially until 1824, and is found in handwriting into the second half of the nineteenth century" being sometimes seen later on in archaic or traditionalist printing such as printed collections of sermons.
See this Old English Alphabet for a more complete list of changes to the alphabet. And this somewhat related Linguistics SE question, with a long answer that explains how 'ſ' was just another way of writing 's' in some circumstances, rather than a letter that corresponded to a different pronunciation.
Other interesting posts courtesy of sumelic:
- Use of “f” instead of “s” in historic, printed English documents
- How exactly was the long S used and why did people stop using it?
edited Apr 13 at 23:36
Laurel
3228
answered Apr 12 at 22:48
Denis de BernardyDenis de Bernardy
14.4k24755
edited Apr 13 at 23:36
Laurel
3228
edited Apr 13 at 23:36
Laurel
3228
edited Apr 13 at 23:36
Laurel
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3228
answered Apr 12 at 22:48
Denis de BernardyDenis de Bernardy
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answered Apr 12 at 22:48
Denis de BernardyDenis de Bernardy
14.4k24755
answered Apr 12 at 22:48
Denis de BernardyDenis de Bernardy
14.4k24755
14.4k24755
'The Three Castles' cigarette company used the long s for the first s in castles at least into the 1940s.
– Daniel
Apr 18 at 3:17
add a comment |
'The Three Castles' cigarette company used the long s for the first s in castles at least into the 1940s.
– Daniel
Apr 18 at 3:17
'The Three Castles' cigarette company used the long s for the first s in castles at least into the 1940s.
– Daniel
Apr 18 at 3:17
'The Three Castles' cigarette company used the long s for the first s in castles at least into the 1940s.
– Daniel
Apr 18 at 3:17
add a comment |
It's not an f, it's a long s. It's used in maths to mean integral because one definition of an integral is the summation of a function's values.
answered Apr 14 at 11:01
BlokeDownThePubBlokeDownThePub
101
@MarkC.Wallace: The integral symbol in math (∫) orinates from the long s (ſ).
– Wrzlprmft
Apr 14 at 13:42
add a comment |
It's not an f, it's a long s. It's used in maths to mean integral because one definition of an integral is the summation of a function's values.
answered Apr 14 at 11:01
BlokeDownThePubBlokeDownThePub
101
@MarkC.Wallace: The integral symbol in math (∫) orinates from the long s (ſ).
– Wrzlprmft
Apr 14 at 13:42
add a comment |
It's not an f, it's a long s. It's used in maths to mean integral because one definition of an integral is the summation of a function's values.
answered Apr 14 at 11:01
BlokeDownThePubBlokeDownThePub
101
It's not an f, it's a long s. It's used in maths to mean integral because one definition of an integral is the summation of a function's values.
answered Apr 14 at 11:01
BlokeDownThePubBlokeDownThePub
101
answered Apr 14 at 11:01
BlokeDownThePubBlokeDownThePub
101
answered Apr 14 at 11:01
BlokeDownThePubBlokeDownThePub
101
answered Apr 14 at 11:01
BlokeDownThePubBlokeDownThePub
101
101
@MarkC.Wallace: The integral symbol in math (∫) orinates from the long s (ſ).
– Wrzlprmft
Apr 14 at 13:42
add a comment |
@MarkC.Wallace: The integral symbol in math (∫) orinates from the long s (ſ).
– Wrzlprmft
Apr 14 at 13:42
@MarkC.Wallace: The integral symbol in math (∫) orinates from the long s (ſ).
– Wrzlprmft
Apr 14 at 13:42
@MarkC.Wallace: The integral symbol in math (∫) orinates from the long s (ſ).
– Wrzlprmft
Apr 14 at 13:42
add a comment |
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it's not
f, it's half of German double-s:ß– Agent_L
Apr 13 at 17:58
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Also, why is the S in MINUTS upside down?
– Mr Lister
Apr 14 at 11:43